Re: Crime and punishment (discussing how to mete out punishm

[Baelon Drakeson]

Rebuilding is good for the attackers in the same way that peace is good for the attackers: rebuilding, like peace, is good for everyone.

[Yoren longshore]

If we do nothing we're saying that the attackers should get the money from the attacks, I'd say that the victims should be the one to be compensated.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Rebuilding is the only practical way to recompense the victims. Neither house actually profited from the Pennytree attacks or the salting, so that is not an issue. If we want to make that explicit, we can state that any gains from these actions be turned over for redistribution to the Smallfolk victims .

[Yoren longshore]

There are many crimes that are not motivatef by winning, they are still crimes to be punished. You can't get a traffic ticket and pay it to yourself.

[Benedict Marsten]

We have two confirmed deaths, correct? Steffon, Maester and Possibly Ser Humphrey as well.

[Septon Arlyn]

Yes. Although I'm leaning towards giving piper the option of death or the wall

[Benedict Marsten]

Just wanted to make sure there was a head to separate from the body. It creates a fun side scene for me. :;
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[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Yes. Although I'm leaning towards giving piper the option of death or the wall

I'm thinking that seems fair.

[Reader]

Just wanted to make sure there was a head to separate from the body. It creates a fun side scene for me. :;
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Hooray! Looking forward to this and trial(s) by combat.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

If Maester Arran is to be burned, can Corrine do it? In the spirit of the one who passes judgement should deal it out. Any beheadings would be done by Ben.

[Reader]

If Maester Arran is to be burned, can Corrine do it? In the spirit of the one who passes judgement should deal it out. Any beheadings would be done by Ben.

Don't ask me, House Marsten is in charge here (well, ranking first among equals and carrying the royal banner). :;
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Burninate away.

A-E-R-Y-S!
GO FLAMERS!
A-E-R-Y-S!

[Kevan Lyras]

Can I call dibs on any potential trial by combat with that Steffon s-o-b?

[Yoren longshore]

We have two confirmed deaths, correct? Steffon, Maester and Possibly Ser Humphrey as well.

There's a (slim) chance thatSteffon gets away. He could do a trial by combat. We do have our good guy version of the mountan that rides, so I do not think he will win, but it is always a chance...

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Can I call dibs on any potential trial by combat with that Steffon s-o-b?

I'd support you in that.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

We have two confirmed deaths, correct? Steffon, Maester and Possibly Ser Humphrey as well.

There's a (slim) chance thatSteffon gets away. He could do a trial by combat. We do have our good guy version of the mountan that rides, so I do not think he will win, but it is always a chance...

I don't think we have a good guy Mountain, but we do have several able warriors.

[Kevan Lyras]

We have more of a mountain-that-rides-not, as far as I hear, so a trial by combat on horseback would cause some problems for him :;
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[Baelon Drakeson]

There are many crimes that are not motivatef by winning, they are still crimes to be punished. You can't get a traffic ticket and pay it to yourself.

That's a rather false analogy. The punishment for the salted fields is falling on Ser Tyron. The punishment for the first Pennytree attack is falling on Ser Humphrey and the Bracken soldiers. What you're talking about is like a cop giving a ticket to the offending driver and then sending another one to their boss, just because it was a company car.

Yes. Although I'm leaning towards giving piper the option of death or the wall

For an act of insubordination by his troops? That seems awfully harsh. Remember, he followed the mob mentality in the act, he didn't lead it. Haig said that he would take the hand of the senior man who participated, leaving them alive as a symbol to discourage future acts of this kind (in addition to other punishments for the soldiers involved). I think we should stipulate Ser Humphrey as the one to lose a hand. Imagine Jaime without the benefit of family, position, and wealth. Jaime was an expert swordsman rendered almost completely unable to fight. What would that do to a far less impressive swordsman? He would never be able to fight again.

If Maester Arran is to be burned, can Corrine do it? In the spirit of the one who passes judgement should deal it out. Any beheadings would be done by Ben.

Well, that would kill those rumors of you being soft. It might start rumors of you being mad and capricious, but not soft...

Can I call dibs on any potential trial by combat with that Steffon s-o-b?

No you may not.
I suspect that many of us would like to take him on. Of course, in this Rykktatorship you may get your wish anyway (sorry Ben, couldn't resist).

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

We have more of a mountain-that-rides-not, as far as I hear, so a trial by combat on horseback would cause some problems for him :;
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Yeah, and not much of a good guy, as far as we've seen.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Yoren, why mad and capricious? She's the one who, in the official sense, is passing judgement, so it is perfectly within etiquette for her to carry out the sentence. Nobody would bat an eyelid at Ben beheading someone he condemned to death.

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Hm. There may be a difference between beheading, and setting a man afire, in the public eye.

One's a cleaner death by far.

But you're right...they're both means of execution. Tis up to you.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Hm. There may be a difference between beheading, and setting a man afire, in the public eye.

One's a cleaner death by far.

But you're right...they're both means of execution. Tis up to you.

Well, if he's sentenced to burning anyway, he can hardly be beheaded beforehand.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Yoren, why mad and capricious? She's the one who, in the official sense, is passing judgement, so it is perfectly within etiquette for her to carry out the sentence. Nobody would bat an eyelid at Ben beheading someone he condemned to death.

That was me actually, not Yoren.

Mad because burning is not a clean execution and capricious because you are sometimes merciful and sometimes harsh. What I meant is that no matter what you do, haters are gonna hate. Your enemies will make anything you do out to be terrible, whether or not they are - such is the fate of those of us who are seen as symbols or poster-children for various controversial matters.

[Yoren longshore]

There are many crimes that are not motivatef by winning, they are still crimes to be punished. You can't get a traffic ticket and pay it to yourself.

That's a rather false analogy. The punishment for the salted fields is falling on Ser Tyron. The punishment for the first Pennytree attack is falling on Ser Humphrey and the Bracken soldiers. What you're talking about is like a cop giving a ticket to the offending driver and then sending another one to their boss, just because it was a company car.

It's more like you recklessly bulking someone elses car, you have to pay them money for it. There is a victim, and victims gets an uprising. If someone bulked my car, I would want a settlement. If someone salted my garden, I'd want a settlement. If someone stole from me, I would want a settlement.

Let me flip this around: Why shouldn't we compensate the victims?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Yoren, why mad and capricious? She's the one who, in the official sense, is passing judgement, so it is perfectly within etiquette for her to carry out the sentence. Nobody would bat an eyelid at Ben beheading someone he condemned to death.

That was me actually, not Yoren.

Mad because burning is not a clean execution and capricious because you are sometimes merciful and sometimes harsh. What I meant is that no matter what you do, haters are gonna hate. Your enemies will make anything you do out to be terrible, whether or not they are - such is the fate of those of us who are seen as symbols or poster-children for various controversial matters.

Oops. Sorry Yoren.

It's not a clean execution, but I thought that was what he was going to be sentenced.

[Yoren longshore]

Yoren, why mad and capricious? She's the one who, in the official sense, is passing judgement, so it is perfectly within etiquette for her to carry out the sentence. Nobody would bat an eyelid at Ben beheading someone he condemned to death.

That was me actually, not Yoren.

Mad because burning is not a clean execution and capricious because you are sometimes merciful and sometimes harsh. What I meant is that no matter what you do, haters are gonna hate. Your enemies will make anything you do out to be terrible, whether or not they are - such is the fate of those of us who are seen as symbols or poster-children for various controversial matters.

Burning is also at least in the book associated with mad people: Aerys, Mellisandre and Aegon pops to mind.
Do not get me wrong: Yoren is all for burning, makes the final kisses so much easier

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