Re: Melee groups

by **Theomore Tullison** Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:58 pm

The participants in group 3 has so many grudges and so on and so forth that I don't they'll attack random people.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:05 am

Theomore Tullison wrote:The participants in group 3 has so many grudges and so on and so forth that I don't they'll attack random people.

Yeah, I definitely think someone needs to knock a certain tourney organizer upside the head for these groupings... that Vance fellow also seems to have an extensive information network, as some of the rivalries he paired up aren't even public. Laughing

by **Baelon Drakeson** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:35 am

Septon Arlyn wrote:I can run one NPC group as I am not involved in any of the groups

Lady Corrine Marsten wrote:Righto! Which group should I take?

Given all the PC and NC grudges, I'm thinking that group 3 should be left to Reader.
Corrine, you have the least connection to group 4 (2 Coldbrook PCs, Dunstan, 3 NCs). Every other group except 5 has Marsten people, 3 has Ben.
I'm willing to take group 2, unless someone objects to me running a group that has one of my own house members (Kevan) in it. I swear by my impartiality, but I can understand if others don't want me to run it. Obviously I can't run group 1, so that would leave group 5... which is all NCs.
Septon, maybe run group 1?

by **Septon Arlyn** Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:34 am

Sure I will run group 1, I may just set up some heroclix to give me a better visual of what's going on lol

by **Benedict Marsten** Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:49 am

I am willing to help. Though I am not sure I can figure out that mapping. Smile

I think group 3 rivalries are all quite obvious. The only questionable one is Grell.

Bracken vs. #1Blackwood, #2Ben(Maybe)
Frey vs. closest
Blackwood vs. #1Bracken, #2Frey
Grell vs. closest
Mallister vs. #1Athlestan, #2closest

Who is running Athlestan?

by **Baelon Drakeson** Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:09 am

Benedict Blackthorne wrote:I am willing to help. Though I am not sure I can figure out that mapping.

Is it really that hard to figure out? I mean, the editing is a bit awkward, but I didn't think it was that bad... but that might just be me.
No one should feel obligated to use the text map... I won't be offended. I was trying to be helpful, so if it isn't helpful then don't use it.

EDIT: Maye you should take group 2, as you have less conflict of interest than I do. I can just quick run group 5.
EDIT 2: We don't even have a thread for group 5, much less NC stats... so unless Reader decides to give those to me I'll just rest on my laurels and get back to reading stuff for my thesis. :;
):

Benedict Blackthorne wrote: I think group 3 rivalries are all quite obvious. The only questionable one is Grell.
Bracken vs. #1Blackwood, #2Ben(Maybe)
Frey vs. closest
Blackwood vs. #1Bracken, #2Frey
Grell vs. closest
Mallister vs. #1Athlestan, #2closest

Hmm. Order of Blackwood's targeting might be backward - old feud vs. Frey beating his kinswoman earlier in the week... I'd think the recent issue would be more motivating. Of course, starting position might affect that, too. The big question is whether or not any of the rivalries are significant enough that someone might target an opponent that is already engaged rather than go for the nearest unengaged target.

Benedict Blackthorne wrote:Who is running Athlestan?

Hmm. Hadn't realized just how long it's been since he's been on - 10 days.
All the more reason for Reader to run this one - Reader has access to his stats.

Speaking of stats, group 2 is lacking stats for Hugo Rivers (also waiting for Yoren's initiative roll).

by **Theomore Tullison** Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:50 am

There's a couple of Theo schemes that plays into group 3, one directly intended to do just that, the other just happens to involve a pair of characters that happens to be in group 3, the beauty of it is that I had not anticipated the possibility of these two getting face to face in the melee.

But give the old fox a free lunch and he'll eat greedily.

by **Septon Arlyn** Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:38 am

remember to add the code in front of the grid, I was having trouble getting things to add correctly in the boxes until I did that.

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:16 pm

Ok, I'll take Group 4.

Athelstan seems to have vanished. Sad

by **Benedict Marsten** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Athlestan had said something about a surgery or something in June and he would be out for awhile. I just thought he had arranged someone to run his PC.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:35 pm

You are correct, ser: [url=Here's his post][/url]
From that, he might be back soon.

by **Ser Jorah Holt** Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:41 pm

The massive guy in BITW was Talos Canaris of what House Coldbrook was originally called.

Its funny, but we've not ended up with anybody who wishes our house harm in our group.

Group 4 looks like it's go 3 pcs vs 3 ncs, which will make it easier to run

by Jon Cobb Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:54 pm

So, are groups 2 and 3 spoken for? If not, I could handle the NCs in one of them.

by **Benedict Marsten** Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:35 pm

Jon Cobb wrote:So, are groups 2 and 3 spoken for? If not, I could handle the NCs in one of them.

I was currently handling group #2. Group #3 is open but some believe the grudges may need Readers discretion. I think they are straight forward, myself.

Or if you really want one you can have #2. Smile

by Jon Cobb Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:19 pm

Benedict Blackthorne wrote:I was currently handling group #2. Group #3 is open but some believe the grudges may need Readers discretion. I think they are straight forward, myself.

Or if you really want one you can have #2.

I agree with your assessment on #3. Smile

Group #2 is probably closest to getting going, since it only needs Hugo Rivers' stats from Reader before the fighting can begin. Group #3 will probably have to wait until Athelstan or his brother log on to post.

So, if you'd prefer not to handle a group, I can take group #2. If you want to run it, I'll take group #3 and confer with Reader on whether we should wait for Athelstan.

by **Reader** Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:22 pm

Theomore Tullison wrote:There's a couple of Theo schemes that plays into group 3, one directly intended to do just that, the other just happens to involve a pair of characters that happens to be in group 3, the beauty of it is that I had not anticipated the possibility of these two getting face to face in the melee.

But give the old fox a free lunch and he'll eat greedily.

Theomore, feel free to make the bonkers Group 3 scheme public for the nutty rivalries you've created. Smile

Group 5 - I'll crunch it at my end.

by **Benedict Marsten** Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:23 pm

Well I can't run #3 if someone is needed. So perhaps I better stick with #2, unless Reader wants to run #3 himself.

by **Reader** Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:31 pm

Group 3 guidance for whoever takes it on:

Bracken v Blackwood [mandatory]
Benjen Frey will go for Lord Bracken (Theomore rumour spreading) Twisted Evil

Erryk Grell attack Benjen Frey (separate Theomore plotting)
Mallister will go after Athelstan [Ironborn v Mallister cliche y'all]

by **Baelon Drakeson** Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:07 am

Jon Cobb wrote:Just for clarity's sake - I presume that the Vicious quality won't be used in the melee? If it is, Haig Bracken is going to leave a pile of corpses in his group...

Seeing Ser Loreth's attack on Yoren, I remembered that taking a wound to prevent all health loss from the attack means that vicious wouldn't trigger - there is no actual combat defeat.
Poor Yoren - defeated in the first attack of the melee. That's rough.

by Jon Cobb Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:03 am

Baelon wrote:Seeing Ser Loreth's attack on Yoren, I remembered that taking a wound to prevent all health loss from the attack means that vicious wouldn't trigger - there is no actual combat defeat.

True! I was thinking more of the poor NCs though, not all of whom might be allowed to take wounds. Crying or Very sad

by **Baelon Drakeson** Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:01 am

Jon Cobb wrote:
Baelon wrote:Seeing Ser Loreth's attack on Yoren, I remembered that taking a wound to prevent all health loss from the attack means that vicious wouldn't trigger - there is no actual combat defeat.
True! I was thinking more of the poor NCs though, not all of whom might be allowed to take wounds.

Well, that's totally in Reader's hands. He can easily just grant them all the ability to take a wound, then remove it later if he so chooses. From page 201: "
As Narrator, you’re encouraged to ignore, bend, break, and twist the rules... above all, have fun."
Having a slaughter in the melee is not my idea of fun and clearly not yours, either. reader could just temporarily suspend vicious, but that would largely eliminate the risk of participating in an event that is supposed to be dangerous (though not routinely deadly) - there should be some consequence to being smacked with a greatsword - I think a wound is sufficient given that the wielder is not intending to kill.

It seems to me that the idea of having some NCs unable to take wounds is not some sort of mystical difference in survivability, but rather it is to speed up gameplay. Thug #38 doesn't get to take wounds because A)all that would do is drag out the fight and B) no one (in the larger game world) really cares if they live or die. They are not a full person, they have no existence outside that one scene. These NCs in the melee? Neither A nor B is true.

by **Reader** Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:44 pm

Vicious won't cause fatalities in a melee - handwave magic to avoid silliness.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:35 pm

Baelon wrote:EDIT: This is what I have so far, it's not quite fair to all 7 positions, but close.
You'll have to scroll to see it all, but in text like this it should be easy enough for everyone to edit their own movement in....

I just discovered that some mobile browsers (at least on Android) the code blocks don't display correctly. If the map is all squished and you are on an Android device, maybe try a different device... If that's not feasible, say so and I'll see what I can do to make image maps as needed.

by **Reader** Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:09 pm

Melee posts for those who haven't posted by 7am uk time tomorrow please or we take (sensible) actions for you!

by **Reader** Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:08 pm

Right-ho, will be tweaking one fight where NPCs ganged up on a PC in round 1 - my fault for instructions on this not being clearer. Ser Jorah is the beneficiary of this, anyone else who lost out (round 1, two attacks from NPCs) tell me please, but couldn't spot one. Fixing this tonight.

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