Game Discussion

[Theomore Tullison]

I'd say that Theomore is actually amongst the "
better"
characters in this group. He cares about stuff. Yoren is probably a worse character, as though he wishes to be kind to people, he sometimes struggle to care. He pursues Baelon, not out of a burning wish for justice, but simply because that is what people would expect of him. The only reasons he does is that he cares deeply for his father and he does not wish to seem like more of an outcast.

Standing for Athelstan might be seen as honorable (defending those who can't defend themselves) but if it's a good deed or not depends heavily upon motivation.

Well, there's code of honor and code of honor. Most NPC's doesn't think standing for Athelstan fits within theirs, and thus judges anyone who will do so accordingly.

But I have difficulty seeing how Theomore can be among the "
better"
characters in this group.

[Septon Arlyn]

I think that Theomore is one of the more well rounded characters. Also his player does an excellent job in conveying his actions and twisting the words to be the most appropriate version of his truth. Also his motivations are good, even if his actions to complete those motivations are horrible, they are very well executed (pun intended ).

[Ereth Redwain]

[ooc: King is Status 10, royal family 9, hand/warden of the North etc. 8, small council/paramount house 7, large noble house 6, medium noble house 5. So the Status gap between Blackwood and Marsten is not that much.]

Can we put this up in some part of the rules in case it comes out again with some minor additions, so we can see how "
influential"
Houses are in their regions.

Kingsguard Status 5
Minor House Status 4
Knightly House Status 3

One questions, aren't Paramount Houses (Stark, Lannister, etc.) same as a Warden of the (North, West, etc.)?

[Ser Jorah Holt]

House Tully is not a warden, but a paramount house

[Yoren longshore]

One questions, aren't Paramount Houses (Stark, Lannister, etc.) same as a Warden of the (North, West, etc.)?

Paramount is all the seven kingdoms (tyrell, lannister, stark Arryn Tully etc) while the wardens are four titles that is not hereditary and they are whom the king trusts the most to defend against the four directions (north east south west.)

[Ser Jorah Holt]

generally house stark is always warden of north as nobody has supplanted them as the major house

[Reader]

[ooc: King is Status 10, royal family 9, hand/warden of the North etc. 8, small council/paramount house 7, large noble house 6, medium noble house 5. So the Status gap between Blackwood and Marsten is not that much.]

Can we put this up in some part of the rules in case it comes out again with some minor additions, so we can see how "
influential"
Houses are in their regions.

Kingsguard Status 5
Minor House Status 4
Knightly House Status 3

One questions, aren't Paramount Houses (Stark, Lannister, etc.) same as a Warden of the (North, West, etc.)?

We're using the core rulebook p67 so people can generally just refer to that. As Corrine points out, House Marsten is pretty influential (which, together with the Black performance in Story 1 is why they're "
First among equals"
here).

Ereth: good question on Lords of Paramount Houses: they're often but not always a Warden. Most obviously, there are four cardinal points (North, South, East, West) and more Great Houses (Stark, Lannister, Tyrell, Tully, Baratheon, Greyjoy, Arryn at this point).

Jaime Lannister is made Warden of the East in the novels, a title traditionally held by House Arryn.

Ser Daveth Lannister is made Warden of the West to slight Ser Kevan in a classy move by Cersei.

Edit: ninja-ed by various players, hope my fuller explanation helps.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

[ooc: King is Status 10, royal family 9, hand/warden of the North etc. 8, small council/paramount house 7, large noble house 6, medium noble house 5. So the Status gap between Blackwood and Marsten is not that much.]

Can we put this up in some part of the rules in case it comes out again with some minor additions, so we can see how "
influential"
Houses are in their regions.

Kingsguard Status 5
Minor House Status 4
Knightly House Status 3

One questions, aren't Paramount Houses (Stark, Lannister, etc.) same as a Warden of the (North, West, etc.)?

Reader already posted the Status ratings for people to see.

And no, Paramount Houses are not the same. There are only 4 Wardens (North, East, West, South), but there are 7 Paramount Houses.

[Yoren longshore]

Ereth: good question on Lords of Paramount Houses: they're often but not always a Warden. Most obviously, there are four cardinal points (North, South, East, West) and more Great Houses (Stark, Lannister, Tyrell, Tully, Baratheon, Longshore, Arryn at this point).

Athelstan! we made it! We've become a lord paramount of our own!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

You guys are Greyjoy's minions, so nope.

[Kevan Lyras]

Ereth: good question on Lords of Paramount Houses: they're often but not always a Warden. Most obviously, there are four cardinal points (North, South, East, West) and more Great Houses (Stark, Lannister, Tyrell, Tully, Baratheon, Longshore, Arryn at this point).

Athelstan! we made it! We've become a lord paramount of our own!

[Septon Arlyn]

for some reason I was thinking that Corrine was only status 4, and as head of house that would put house marstens influence around 21-40 where as house brackens influence would be around 51-60 to account for his status 6 while they only had status 4.

[Reader]

Ereth: good question on Lords of Paramount Houses: they're often but not always a Warden. Most obviously, there are four cardinal points (North, South, East, West) and more Great Houses (Stark, Lannister, Tyrell, Tully, Baratheon, Longshore, Arryn at this point).

Athelstan! we made it! We've become a lord paramount of our own!

Rofl, corrected it rather than ending the game with Longshore the glorious winners.

Septon: generally no problem on getting another PC's stats wrong. Shows you're not metagaming. Even getting status wrong (one of the more "
public"
stats) isn't a huge problem as long as you're in the right ballpark.

[Ereth Redwain]

I probably missed the post, but I always wondered about the Warden and Paramount.

Now I know Warden is a "
title"
not just part of being a House Paramount, since I just assumed ti was part of the title given to paramount Houses on those cardinal points (Reach, Westerlands, Vale, and the North).

Great House sounds nice for Longshores, but we are Greyjoy minions also lol

House Marsten I think starts at Status 5? Need to check books for that, closes one are the Barthelds with influence but status 4.

Edit: There are other minor Warden titles, but I doubt they grant a Status bonus.

[Kevan Lyras]

House Marsten has a maximum status of 5, but neither Ben nor Corrine have invested into status 5, so they are at 4

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

House Marsten has a maximum status of 5, but neither Ben nor Corrine have invested into status 5, so they are at 4

I invested in Status 5, so Corrine does actually have Status 5.

[Ser Jorah Holt]

and lord tullison has status 5

[Theomore Tullison]

There's plenty of titles nobles adorn themselves with, Lannisters have shield of Lannisport for example.

The significance of warden of east/west/etc is that it's a military office that in certain cases puts the man holding it above other lord paramounts.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Right, folks! IC treaty debate thread is go! Bear in mind that, while I've made it open, only one person per House can vote.

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[Yoren longshore]

Question: In the books trials by combat always happened on foot, but in the Dunk and Egg history there was a trial by seven that happened on horse. What decides how the trial will be fought? Is it simply at the whim of the local lord?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Well, in duels, the person being challenged gets to choose the weapon. There's a great episode of Sword of Freedom which hinges on that.

[Ereth Redwain]

Yet we have the duel in the Vale to save the imp and it was fought on foot with the weapons they wanted, until the poor knight had to use another sword.

[Reader]

Question: In the books trials by combat always happened on foot, but in the Dunk and Egg history there was a trial by seven that happened on horse. What decides how the trial will be fought? Is it simply at the whim of the local lord?

Spoilers for the Hedge Knight short stories series.

Indeed, the evidence is split. There's even one case of House Targaryen being championed by fire.

All three of the "
The Mystery Knight"
(for Fireball's son), "
The Sworn Sword"
and "
The Hedge Knight"
have trial by combat on horseback.

Ser Balman's duel with Ser Bronn is on horseback (but the hedge knight has a cunning scheme).

Either seem reasonable with the rank of participants and politics weighing heavily. Knight are expected to be able to fight on horseback and foot, so both are acceptable.

Personally I'd have a good laugh if it was a trial by Seven.

This is bad news for one of our bonkers specialised characters, but I have no sympathy as he was explicitly warned about this.

[Yoren longshore]

That show seems interesting. I've always been fond of history, and Cosimo and his family has always stuck out as interesting characters.
But who is the challenger in a trial by combat? Is it the man that demands the trial or the man that volenteers to fight the accused?

[Reader]

That show seems interesting. I've always been fond of history, and Cosimo and his family has always stuck out as interesting characters.
But who is the challenger in a trial by combat? Is it the man that demands the trial or the man that volenteers to fight the accused?

Put it this way: given the social expectation around knights, avoiding horses being involved might be a challenge.

Like I say, given the lack of enthusiasm for persecuting Baelon, I'd worry more about a trial by Seven. It would be quite the rogue's gallery on one side.

That's if we even get to a court case and then trial by combat. Marstens might blow the whole thing up.

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