Re: Mechanical discussion

[Theomore Tullison]

Under "
other uses"
for awareness in the ability chapter you get this line:

"
You can also use Awareness (Empathy) in an intrigue to Read Target, as described on page 149."

[Baelon Drakeson]

Under "
other uses"
for awareness in the ability chapter you get this line:

"
You can also use Awareness (Empathy) in an intrigue to Read Target, as described on page 149."

Ah, missed that in my review. Yes then, as the Intrigue chapter does not contradict (just fails to specify one way or the other), I'd say that as written Read Target uses empathy specialty dice.

[Garret Snow]

The house rules mention that we are using the advanced combat rules, but does this include Reach and free attacks?

[Theomore Tullison]

House rules says advanced combat actions and fatigue, the other advanced rules are thus presumably not in play.

[Loreia]

Alright, how about this. If I succeed at a TN 9 Animal Handling check, can I add half my Animal Handling rank to my next Hunt test as an assist from my dog? Or will I have to settle for a +1 from a 'small assist'?

[Baelon Drakeson]

Alright, how about this. If I succeed at a TN 9 Animal Handling check, can I add half my Animal Handling rank to my next Hunt test as an assist from my dog? Or will I have to settle for a +1 from a 'small assist'?

Per pg31 if your dog is considered an ally and allowed to assist, you would receive a bonus of one-half of your dog's Survival.
It is of course up to Reader whether or not your dog is allowed to assist.

Is your pup trained to hunt? If so, I'd say you would have a strong case.

[Loreia]

I'm using the hound creature stats, so he has a +1B in Hunt and 3 Survival. I'll only get a +1 then.

[Nathaniel Mason]

Hunt
Basic Test

You can also test Survival to go hunting for animals. You may only test
this ability in areas that actually contain wildlife. The Difficulty depends
on how long you spend hunting, as well as the terrain and season. A successful
test provides enough food for one person for one day per degree.
If you have hounds or a hunting bird (such as a hawk), you gain +1D
on your Survival test.

It seems to me that the skill specifically accounts for animal assistance. Would this not supersede the general assist rule?

[Theomore Tullison]

Possibly, but then everyone would bring hounds, wouldn't they?

[Nathaniel Mason]

Possibly, but then everyone would bring hounds, wouldn't they?

Would it be an issue if they did? Those who have already posted could just adjust. I'm not in the hunt, so it's not an issue one way or another for me, but since the specialty specifically calls for it, I am not sure what justification there would be in disallowing it.

[Theomore Tullison]

The Tullison strategy might very well have been considerably revised in that case.

And it may lead to more glory being handed out for this event than originally intended.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Hunt
Basic Test

You can also test Survival to go hunting for animals. You may only test
this ability in areas that actually contain wildlife. The Difficulty depends
on how long you spend hunting, as well as the terrain and season. A successful
test provides enough food for one person for one day per degree.
If you have hounds or a hunting bird (such as a hawk), you gain +1D
on your Survival test.

It seems to me that the skill specifically accounts for animal assistance. Would this not supersede the general assist rule?

You are correct! i really need to stop posting about mechanics things when I don't have the time to double check myself thoroughly.

I don't know if everybody would use them - how many houses brought their trained hunting dogs with them? House Tully's hounds are probably all already being used, so other than a few available for sale (rent?) in Riverton, there probably aren't that many that could be used. Alternately, everybody gets them, but all the DCs are raised to compensate - kind of a wash.

[Theomore Tullison]

That depends on whether or not people knew there was going to be a hunt, I think.

[Nathaniel Mason]

Well, realistically the difficulties would have been 13. (DC18 for a 6 hour period, -5 for spring) I doubt outside of Riverrun counts as 'verdant wilderness'.

It could be said that the Tully hounds are being used to flush out game, which is why the DCs are so much lower in the first place.

[Jon Cobb]

I think we can safely assume that our player houses may have brought hounds or hawks if we wish it, but I don't think it should affect anyone's rolls. However, Loreia's dog is (I assume) an Animal Cohort, and should therefore be allowed to play a larger role. Ergo, I'm for letting her add +1D to her Survival rolls for the hunt.

[Baelon Drakeson]

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Now we go to "
Repeat"
phase which brings us back to STep 2 and then to Step 5 "
Initiative"
, right? (Core rules p.150)

If so, here my new Initiative roll:
[url=Status (Reputation)][/url]: 5d6k4 18

So I saw this and had to go back to the book. It does have you go back to step 2, and nothing says that you do NOT reroll initiative, but that is never how I have seen it played.
Also, the example intrigue says they go back to step 3, but then jumps straight to step six (selecting techniques) in the same order as the original initiative checks.

For the sake of simplicity (and not slowing down intrigues) I'd say it's best to ignore all that and just keep the same initiatives. It just makes more sense.

[Nathaniel Mason]

I have Eloquent, so the question is moot in this particular Intrigue, but it is a valid question all the same.

In the Game I play in tabletop, we roll initiative every exchange, but I can see not wanting to make multiple Orokos rolls and how it would streamline posts, but if the Statuses are close, it would put one person at a decided disadvantage for the entirety of the Intrigue.

It would also mean that a single bad roll could completely compromise an Intrigue for someone.

[Baelon Drakeson]

True, though the same is true of battle, and it is not rerolled there... and battle can carry much higher consequences.

[Nathaniel Mason]

True, though the same is true of battle, and it is not rerolled there... and battle can carry much higher consequences.

Very true. We roll initiative at the beginning of every combat round, but I know that's not RAW. Step 5 does seem to say that combat rounds continue to proceed in the initial initiative order. (Thirty years of DnD has basically ingrained Initiative rolls into us at the beginning of every round. )

I am sure whatever Reader rules is fine. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. I can certainly see the benefits when using one Intrigue Initiative, especially when using this type of format.

[Baelon Drakeson]

In my 20-odd years of D&
D and related games, I've never rerolled init at the beginning of every round, either...

[Nathaniel Mason]

AD&
D was very specific that Initiative was rolled every combat round. Actions for each round needed to be declared before Initiative was rolled.

3.0/3.5 went to a single initiative format.

(but that is a bit off topic. )

[Leifnarr Longshore]

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Now we go to "
Repeat"
phase which brings us back to STep 2 and then to Step 5 "
Initiative"
, right? (Core rules p.150)

If so, here my new Initiative roll:
[url=Status (Reputation)][/url]: 5d6k4 18

So I saw this and had to go back to the book. It does have you go back to step 2, and nothing says that you do NOT reroll initiative, but that is never how I have seen it played.
Also, the example intrigue says they go back to step 3, but then jumps straight to step six (selecting techniques) in the same order as the original initiative checks.

For the sake of simplicity (and not slowing down intrigues) I'd say it's best to ignore all that and just keep the same initiatives. It just makes more sense.

In reality I have really no problem at all about that.
Now I agree with Nathaniel's interpretation of Eloquent.
It was just that I put that comment late at night, sometimes my mind got mixed with all the games I've played in the past.
Or, to put the thing in a frankly way: I was wrong and Nathaniel was right.
That's it!

[Theomore Tullison]

My main argument for not rolling every round is that if one does, intrigues takes twice as long to complete.

I'd totally enforce that rule on the table though.

[Leifnarr Longshore]

I have Eloquent, so the question is moot in this particular Intrigue, but it is a valid question all the same.

In the Game I play in tabletop, we roll initiative every exchange, but I can see not wanting to make multiple Orokos rolls and how it would streamline posts, but if the Statuses are close, it would put one person at a decided disadvantage for the entirety of the Intrigue.

It would also mean that a single bad roll could completely compromise an Intrigue for someone.

My guess is that, if one is literal on Initiative, it should be rolled each round.
IN this way Higher Status but lowe Persuasion opponents will have some possibilities (albeit small ones).
However, It's all a matter of how interpret Eloquent...and I do see any reference to it being limited to the first round!

So, I say, Eloquent is very powerful indeed!
It will help you a lot vs higher status, not-eloquent opponents (as Leifnarr is).
So, you made a good choice for this quality!

[Theomore Tullison]

Eloquent says you automatically go first in the round. Obviously, this means every round.

And yes, it's pretty much the strongest intrigue benefit there is.

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