Re: Game Discussion

[Theomore Tullison]

And then there's Theomore

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

And then there's Theomore

Who is happy for the world to burn, as long as he can be King of the ashes.

[Septon Arlyn]

It's a little amusing that there's the perception that Blacks inherently support Daemon. Corrine is only Black because she supports Rhaenyra. She doesn't like or support Daemon at all.

And even green, Septon Arlyn supports Lady Corinne's claim on hearts home. There is quite the president for a someone of lower station taking a higher status women's name when they marry, so that the family can keep the house intact.

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"
Most women outside of Dorne take the names of their husbands, although not in all cases. If a woman is of higher birth or station than her husband, for example, she may use his name little, if at all. "
wiki of fire and ice

here is a list of female rulers (form wiki of fire and ice)
Ruling ladies include: Delonne Allyrion, Larra Blackmont, Alysanne Bulwer, Barbrey Dustin, Shyra Errol, Lyessa Flint, Mary Mertyns, Maege Mormont, Arwyn Oakheart, Tanda Stokeworth, Nymella Toland, Anya Waynwood, and Shella Whent.

Where as in the counsel of Lord's it was pretty well laid out that a man should inherit the throne before a women, even though the king as named her as heir.

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[Terren Dulver]

What I enjoyed is the irony that Lady Corinne is angry at Terren "
for trying to make Lord Blackwood a ward of a green Lord"
whilst Terren actually is a black( although not publicly) and just hadn't considered that fact.

[Theomore Tullison]

The Targaryen law that any male claimant comes before a female one was brought into place after the dance of the dragons mind.

The present IC situation kinda boils down to Rhaenyra being Viserys chosen successor, and Aegon is pushed forward by his mother.

By Andal tradition, Aegon would be heir without much question, though Targaryen tradition basically being "
The king can do as he likes"
.

[Septon Arlyn]

The Targaryen law that any male claimant comes before a female one was brought into place after the dance of the dragons mind.

The present IC situation kinda boils down to Rhaenyra being Viserys chosen successor, and Aegon is pushed forward by his mother.

By Andal tradition, Aegon would be heir without much question, though Targaryen tradition basically being "
The king can do as he likes"
.

while there is a great counsel after the dance of dragons. The counsel I ma referring to is the one during 101 AC, the civil war happened during 129 and 131

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Septon, it's not hearts home, it's Hartshorn.

What I enjoyed is the irony that Lady Corinne is angry at Terren "
for trying to make Lord Blackwood a ward of a green Lord"
whilst Terren actually is a black( although not publicly) and just hadn't considered that fact.

While individuals may differ, Dulver is a Green House, so she has to treat it as such unless she sees otherwise. You are also in the unfortunate position of trying to get something from her when she is really fucked off with just about everyone. She's usually much more calm and congenial, but she's under far more stress than she can handle.

[Terren Dulver]

Oh, I as a player can understand, but it was the first time Lady Corinne and Terren spoke and you know what they say about first impressions.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Wow. Luecian has managed to miss Corrine's entire point, and the fact that the Dulver's proposal was insulting as hell. If protecting her six-year-old cousin from danger is 'politics', then I guess Corrine is very political.

If I never see the sodding Riverlands again, it'll be too soon. I hope Gorman Tully drowns, while being pecked by gulls and being served a really big tax bill.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Oh, I as a player can understand, but it was the first time Lady Corinne and Terren spoke and you know what they say about first impressions.

Likewise. Terren has made the impression of a clueless, grasping youth, who didn't engage his brain before insulting House Marsten and wasting Corrine &
Ben's time.

[Terren Dulver]

Thats going to make things fun in future neogtiations.

[Septon Arlyn]

Wow. Luecian has managed to miss Corrine's entire point, and the fact that the Dulver's proposal was insulting as hell. If protecting her six-year-old cousin from danger is 'politics', then I guess Corrine is very political.

If I never see the sodding Riverlands again, it'll be too soon. I hope Gorman Tully drowns, while being pecked by gulls and being served a really big tax bill.

He is also Terren's cousin, and although we are a green house, we are trying to keep him away from the influence of Ser Tyron blackwood, as there is a good chance that of him courpting Benji and perpetuating that fued before we even leave the riverlands.

Even kevan has seen the negitive outlook towards the Bracken's through the POV of his nephew?

Then there is also the fact that bracken troops assassinated Lord blackwood while he slept and as far as we know they had inside help an information from a Blackwood's who had still not been found, how is having him at raventree hall safe of there is a known Blackwood's tratior amongst his servants. If anything it would be irresponsible to leave him there

[Luecian LongBow]

The thing is Terren suggested Lord Tully as its their liege lord and given the society it makes perfect sense, he then said a number of other options could be fine as well if that was ill suited to Lady Corrine. So its not like he was force feeding green propaganda at all. The most common forms of peace are fostering or marriage, so its not an absurd request he suggested to be treated with threats seemed very unnecessary to the huntsman and counterproductive to the stated goal of fostering peace here. Or at least that's Luecian's pov. He also doesn't see how placing him at a distance from the chaos of the Bracken/Blackwood lands puts the child Lord Blackwood in any more danger than staying, it could be strongly argued it might even be safer with an neutral house securing his safety. Let's recall the previous lord Blackwood was just assassinated in their lands with suspected inside help from their own retainers. So the only remaining thing that made this seem to escalate so fast to him seems to be politics and to be fair it was mentioned as a big part of her dislike of the idea throughout the conversation along with the 'danger' from those green people.

It is what it is at this point(and its not a big deal, just seemed an unnecessary overreaction but I suppose that's part of the IC intention), but I think aspects of the idea have merit even if its not a fully formed complete solution yet(but with a few tweaks it could possibly be a central part of the treaty and a possible peace for a generation or so at least). Sometimes character's see things from different angles and we only have the limited words shared to interpret not their whole thought process...

[Nathaniel Mason]

I don't think it's an overreaction on Corrine's part given her personality, her position, and her familial relationship to Benji. (Although the Greens will more than likely spin it that way. See! See! This is the reason woman should not rule! Our suggestion is perfectly reasonable, but Lady Marten is too over-emotional to understand what is best.)

And certainly, she would not be the only Black that would interpret a Green House trying to foster Benjicot to another Green House, and marry him off to a third Green House, as a political power grab. It is, whether that was intended or not.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

There is no such thing as a neutral House. Like it or not, no House can escape the coming conflict.

[Luecian LongBow]

I'd agree more if he was hard selling Lord Tully as the only choice, but it didn't come across that way to me. House Dulver itself is intermarried to a Black House which happens to be House Blackwood and there is not evil or harm coming from it. It might be true that no house will escape the coming conflict but we're not fighting the conflict today. Today we are trying to bring at least a generation of peace to two feuding houses. /Shrug, There's no right or wrong here and you can interpret whatever intent you want behind anyone's words which will shape how you view it. This just adds a bit more drama to shake things up.

(ooc-corrected typo on House Blackwood affiliation per theo's note below)

[Theomore Tullison]

Blackwoods are Black afaik?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Corrine has been working towards peace between Blackwood &
Bracken before story 2 even started. She and Ben were already teaching Benjicot better ways of thinking. Trying to act like you guys are the only ones trying to bring peace, and acting like your way is the only/best way is insulting. You lot are lucky she walked away instead of issuing a justified challenge.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Look, I understand what you guys believe you were doing, and I'm not angry OOC, but I don't think you realise what an egregious error it was.

[Reader]

Blackwoods are Black afaik?

Correct.

Grumpy narrator incoming -

MASSIVELY Important reminder to everyone:

Can we have direct speech delivered in standard inverted commas please? Orthodox grammar is important as I have a lot to read.

Daveth's red oni/blue oni and similar stuff: fine (in Daveth's case not just fine but welcome, as it's high quality), as it's done skilfully and isn't direct speech.

Walls of coloured text - hard to read and difficult to figure out who is speaking/what is direct speech.

[Ser Walton Dulver]

when do we start Day 7?

[Septon Arlyn]

I think reader is finishing up a few threads /PMs then he is going to move the day. But I think that most of what day 7 will be working on is the treaty, and any last minute investigations we can complete

[Reader]

I think reader is finishing up a few threads /PMs then he is going to move the day. But I think that most of what day 7 will be working on is the treaty, and any last minute investigations we can complete

This is the case! Aiming to wrap up some D6 threads today/tomorrow and then move on to D7. People are welcome to start D7 threads now if desired, to keep things moving.

However, energies should mainly be devoted to presenting the King (read: me?) with a treaty, albeit don't let that stop anyone of you from personal threads and a bit of light amidst the horrors of war.

[Reader]

Reviewing my notes, there's one dramatic scene I wanted to happen that hasn't been triggered yet.

At least one of you has met the NPC in question, but the right trigger events hadn't happened yet to adjust their scene (they may have happened now).

Still, I've got most of what I wanted so far and inline with letting you lot sabotage events I won't trigger things that don't meet the conditions I've set.

I'll do a Q&
A on the investigations/mysteries post story 2 if there's anything nagging at people, although several topics will get a "
no comment"
(sometimes even where there's nothing sinister, to keep you lot guessing).

[Loreia]

I'll do a Q&
A on the investigations/mysteries post story 2 if there's anything nagging at people, although several topics will get a "
no comment"
(sometimes even where there's nothing sinister, to keep you lot guessing).

You monster!

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