Re: Crime and punishment (discussing how to mete out punishm

[Septon Arlyn]

Actually, even if their law score was only 1 they could choose to simply forefit rolling for house fortunes and pluck away, increasing law by 1 point ever month leading to 30 months of lawful focus. That is a little over 2 years and they would be there, giving them plenty of time to renew hostilities when the dance of dragons starts in canon. (Although with everyone's peace making efforts we might stall it for some additional time)

I doubt that they only have 1 law as well. So while it is harsh, I don't think that it's that crippling.

[Nathaniel Mason]

I doubt that they only have 1 law as well. So while it is harsh, I don't think that it's that crippling.

Actually, making them devote 50% of their stat increases to +LAW for ten years is pretty damn harsh.

[Septon Arlyn]

I was talking about your plan was not as harsh Nathan, I agree that Baelon's is more harsh, but might be able to be sold better. Plus I doubt that in 6 years anyone is going to be watching them close enough to ensure that they are contributing to law like they should be.

But that is the flaw in my plan as well

[Yoren longshore]

It's extremely harsh, as it'll basically drown all innovation in a bunch of bureaucracy.
However, harsh or not, you can't deny that it will make dealing with them a lot simpler... They won't have enough power to fight anybody...

[Ereth Redwain]

I doubt that they only have 1 law as well. So while it is harsh, I don't think that it's that crippling.

Actually, making them devote 50% of their stat increases to +LAW for ten years is pretty damn harsh.

I like Nathan idea more so far.

[Septon Arlyn]

It's extremely harsh, as it'll basically drown all innovation in a bunch of bureaucracy.
However, harsh or not, you can't deny that it will make dealing with them a lot simpler... They won't have enough power to fight anybody...

And the gods help whoever attempts sabatoge out assassination in that place, for every 5 law above 30 you as +3 difficulty. So to even try against a target in there would be +18 to start off with, just from law alone! Lol

[Septon Arlyn]

What kept the peace in Europe until 1914 despite the rapid buildup of armies and weapons?



B. a system of peace treaties that invoked harsh penalties for aggressor nations and their allies


I think that this might be appropriate as well. maybe something like if evidence is found that the party initiated hostilities towards each other then that party must pay 10% of their income to the insulted party for 1 yr

[Ereth Redwain]

What kept the peace in Europe until 1914 despite the rapid buildup of armies and weapons?

B. a system of peace treaties that invoked harsh penalties for aggressor nations and their allies

I think that this might be appropriate as well. maybe something like if evidence is found that the party initiated hostilities towards each other then that party must pay 10% of their income to the insulted party for 1 yr

Easier to say then to be done I'm afraid.

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

And what caused a relatively minor regional conflict to explode into a war that would engulf the entire world in a bath of lead, poison gas and blood?

B. a system of peace treaties that invoked harsh penalties for aggressor nations and their allies

Just sayin...be careful of your historical allegories.

[Reader]

And what caused a relatively minor regional conflict to explode into a war that would engulf the entire world in a bath of lead, poison gas and blood?

B. a system of peace treaties that invoked harsh penalties for aggressor nations and their allies

Just sayin...be careful of your historical allegories.

One of my heroes, John Maynard Keynes, resigned from the British Versaille negotiating delegiation in protest! He tragically predicted the impact of the harsh peace in "
The Economic Consequences of the Peace"
.

[Yoren longshore]

Keynes would probably said that we should spend our money in the Bracken/Blackwood market... I am not sure if this would go down well with some of these investigators I'm not sure the king would approve either...

[Theomore Tullison]

I don't know if Keynes discussed the feudal economy much.

[Samurel Manderly]

What kept the peace in Europe until 1914 despite the rapid buildup of armies and weapons?



B. a system of peace treaties that invoked harsh penalties for aggressor nations and their allies


I think that this might be appropriate as well. maybe something like if evidence is found that the party initiated hostilities towards each other then that party must pay 10% of their income to the insulted party for 1 yr

More accurately it was a combination of the "
Concert of Europe"
as well as the relative evenness of the various powers in europe, several things precipitated WWI, many of them having to do with the new power that was Germany.

[Septon Arlyn]

We are also dealing with a pre-industrial society, so the manufacturer of weapons of mass destruction are limited. So there is no automated killing machines, and dragons are out of these two houses reach


*edited to add pre in front of industrial, text to speech is annoying sometimes

[Samurel Manderly]

We are also dealing with a industrial society, so the manufacturer of weapons of mass destruction are limited. So there is no automated killing machines, and dragons are out of these two houses reach

Until... we get a robert the strong scenario with balerion

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Honestly, the sooner those blasted Targaryens and dragons die out, the better. It's like having all the worst, most decadent Roman emperors with giant flying flamethrowers.

[Theomore Tullison]

The kind of ashes Theomore can be king of must include the remains of the dragons, so I fully approve of that notion

[Septon Arlyn]

Well honestly it was the threat of dragons that prevented most of the civil wars. Only after the dragons died did they start experiencing the blackfyre rebellions on up to Roberts rebellion. The threat of dragons is what made people afraid to act

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Dragons definitely were the power that kept the Targaryens in charge for as long as they were. Whether or not that's a good thing depends chiefly on how you view the Targaryen kings.

[Septon Arlyn]

Well, there were good and bad
Targareon kings, and at least there was not full scale conflicts engulfing the entirety of westeros.

As much as I think the Faith had a better system of governance (think the Catholic church with cardinals being the most devoted, only both men and women could be the most devoted, and then they elect their leader)

I doubt that the Lord's of the seven kingdoms would see that as a fair or just system

[Theomore Tullison]

Which is why this upcoming civil war has dragons on both sides....

If it wasn't for Theomore knowing that what happens at 2.00 is inevitable, he'd go in for the Jack speech at 1.30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zWGvFsrKxI

[Baelon Drakeson]

Honestly, the sooner those blasted Targaryens and dragons die out, the better. It's like having all the worst, most decadent Roman emperors with giant flying flamethrowers.

Hey now, how would you like it if I talked about you blasted Andals with your Faith Militant and your self-destructive militant society? It's like having all the worst, most decadent European lords with pseudo-slavery of the smallfolk, might-makes-right society, and the common practice of forcing people out of their homes to fight for your profit. :;
):

[Theomore Tullison]

As if the Valyrians were opposed to slavery.....

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

As if the Valyrians were opposed to slavery.....

Oh snap!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I would also like to add that, unlike the Targaryens, I don't claim to be infallible.

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