Re: Game Discussion

by **Septon Arlyn** Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:28 am

There are other possible political ramifications from just killing you though. Like it might drive the longshores firmly into the arms of the greens, it might also spark a fued with the ironborn.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:41 am

Eh, maybe. I suspect that Lord Longshore would be far more interested in distancing himself from any possible suspicion of being involved with a plot against King's agents, though... it's not likely that he particularly cares about Athelstan, given his time in the Longshore dungeon.

by **Gwyneth Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:42 am

Regardless, no one's looking for an excuse to maim or kill Athelsten. The hardass thing is because he looks like a suspect in what appears to be a really really bad thing that's been brewing is all.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:56 am

I truly feel sorry for the horse...

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:05 am

Baelon wrote:I truly feel sorry for the horse...

Me too.

by **Gwyneth Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:14 am

Yeah.

But in totally unrelated news, the Drakeson Glue Factory business is booming! Are your sundries worn down? Your home and hearth in need of quick and inexpensive repairs? Try new Drakeson Glue! Absolutely guaranteed not to be from random horses that people abandon or kill! Now in three colors! White, red, and horse-colored!

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:17 am

Gwyneth Drakeson wrote:Regardless, no one's looking for an excuse to maim or kill Athelsten. The hardass thing is because he looks like a suspect in what appears to be a really really bad thing that's been brewing is all.

Well you could have fooled me with that one lol, and no there is more than that, after all raping a smallfolk has as we have seen it's problems, killing another kings agent during an investigation being noble or not is still serious.

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:20 am

You still have the option to swallow your pride and answer Baelon's questions. :;
):

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:23 am

I will once he asks them and not tell me die if you don't obey me and even if I did, if it's not what he wants he will still kill me, either way.

And I did say something regarding those things before he shot my horse, yet he does not care that I'm going to show were the wild fire is either so, I know he never planned to let me go anyway, his plan has always been to kill me.

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:30 am

He has said several times that he doesn't intend to kill you.

by **Gwyneth Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:31 am

Speaking OOC, I can honestly say no one wants to kill Athelsten. You're -implicated-. Just stand down and it ends.

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:34 am

OCC yes IC he is showing another thing.

b] I was about to show Corrine where I moved the Wildfire for safekeeping and in hopes that he could handle it better than I can[/b],

I presented any evidence or findings without sharing them and showing them to someone else more credible, they would be dismissed with the same attitude you have"

but all you had to do was ask and I would have told you I marked the widfire inside all the mines to remember where they were, were I originally found it I also marked. I have nothing to win over this feud and much less care about it Longshores have no ties or quarrels here to make or find, so you can shoot or I can show you like I did Corrine, and go to were the Wildfire is which was our next stop, since I have no way to keep it safe but buried and hidden so others won't use it for what you are thinking"

This was my last post.

I'm telling him why I brought you, were the wild fire is going to be, why I marked the places in the mines, and were the wild fire was to start with, he didn't give a fuck and shot my horse, so he is lying OOC and intends to kill me IC, so there is no pride to swallow, just no real chance to talk, with out dying regardless.

Show it IC, OOC you can preach all you want IC you are not showing it, even when I'm trying to tell you things and show you were the wild fire is.

It's literally say what I want or die either way, let other players read and tell me I'm wrong, because so far I see that's the intention, so apologies I do not see thing the way you do, my post clearly shows willingness to cooperate, just not play the stupid game of do as I say or day regardless.

If this is how Athelstan dies so be it, but it's not because he is not trying to cooperate, but he won't just bow down to threats and insults, like he said in my quote above

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:36 am

This whole thing is starting to remind me of all the fuss about the trial by combat in Story 1. Rolling Eyes

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:38 am

I try to put it on bold, but quote doesnt show much lol

Edit: OOC he says one thing, and even IC when I try to just evade violence, it's I want to win through intrigue or someway I get what I want and maybe probably still kill you arrest you anyway lol, so sorry if Athelstan die fuck it, I don't give a fuck and don't trust anyone OOC anymore when/if I do my next character lolz. Just assume you are mostly lying to get something IC.

by **Gwyneth Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:46 am

Wow. Dude. No one here is lying to you OOC. No one here is out to get you OOC. It's a game. Baelon, I, and the rest of us in Coldbrook/Drakeson have discussed the situation pretty comprehensively in our forum. No one is angry at you or upset with you as a player.

Lets keep IC IC, and OOC OOC, okay?

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:51 am

Sure will do let's continue the death then Smile

Edit: Not that he wasn't cooperating already, so shall we just finish this so I cans tart another PC if I have to.

by **Baelon Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:28 am

Seriously, if I had intended to kill Athelstan, why kill a perfectly good horse?

I'm not that desperate to get into the glue industry.

by **Gwyneth Drakeson** Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:32 am

But...but...GLUE man! GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by Athelstan Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:33 am

lol Well IC says otherwise, I just say I'm taking you to the wild fire and you shot my horse.

by **Theomore Tullison** Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:02 am

Baelon wrote:
Athelstan wrote:or perhaps Baelon abandons reason and says hell with it, and commits a crime, as he is not a House with the power of the kings justice or the power to arrest and do what he is doing.
On the contrary, the legal system in Westeros is terribly unfair. I am a noble, you are not. I have various rights, you have none. Perhaps I would have to pay restitution to your father for the income he would lose by your death, but that's about as bad as it gets. Oh sure, I'd be making (more of) an enemy of House Longshore, but in terms of legal recompense? Merely a fine...

Besides, as I said IC, he's acting on an a legal obligation that all subjects of the crown are supposed to do - act to protect the King and his interests (such as preventing a gunpowder er, wildfire plot.

Though, as I have said elsewhere - I have no desire to kill Athelstan. If that happens it will be because you have burned a destiny point to make it that way.

Actually, Baelon has just insulted house longshore, and whichever lord holds authority over the patch of land they are on. And the king might very well be none too pleased about him jeopardizing the entire peacekeeping operation.

Just because Athelstan may not be a noble doesn't mean that what Baelon is doing is any more legal than if he did the same against Lord Dunstan, for example. Difference being that if he did this against Lord Dunstan, all the Bloodriders would hang, while Baelon gets trial by combat. The main principle of westerosi law is that transgressions against smallfolk is punished lighter than those against nobles. And nobles are punished lighter than smallfolk. But in principle, killing horses is against the law.

Let's not discuss the accuracy of 20 archers firing at a horse and not hitting the rider.

Personally, may I suggest that an IC course of action out of this might be Corrine stepping in and demanding that Athelstan is taken into her custody? Because we're in a bit of awkward OOC situation currently.

by **Luecian LongBow** Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:53 am

What's interesting about this to me is while House Drakeson likely feels justified in their actions, they just openly committed one of the type of acts against House Longshore that the other houses were sent here to investigate between Blackwood and Bracken. I think Baelon, House Drakeson and by extension House Coldbrook come off with a bit of a villain feel from this whether that was intended IC or not.
I also find the political aspect interesting as House Drakeson wasn't invited by the crown, they are here on behalf of House Coldbrook's invitation and request while they now attacked a member of a House that was directly asked by the crown to be an agent of the king's peace here.

Not exactly sure everything going on but it's definetly not boring so kudos for that. Smile

by **Kevan Lyras** Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:16 am

Yes it seems like on of these situations where none of the involved is better off afterwards
(keep going Twisted Evil

)

by **Reader** Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:20 am

House Drakeson are invited by virtue of being a Coldbrook banner, lest anyone be confused. Similar applies to Kevan Lyras and the Tullison archers from their vassals.

by **Theomore Tullison** Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:23 am

Well, that does make his authority derive from the Coldbrooks and his actions reflect back upon them.

The plot thickens.

by **Reader** Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:32 am

Theomore Tullison wrote:Well, that does make his authority derive from the Coldbrooks and his actions reflect back upon them.

The plot thickens.

As my fiance's history teacher used to say "
we don't use the F word lightly"
but that's how westeros's (quasi) feudal system works. A triumph for Coldbrook as their men apprehend a known kinslayer for interfering with a royal investigation?

I'm going to be firm here because on of Athelstan's OOC posts was misleading, which disappointed me. He has interfered with the investigation and other PCs have effectively caught him. You lot are welcome to pull crazy shit, but have to face the music if caught. I fudged things to protect Athelstan in story 1 (and due to Lord Tully's political schemes), you were all warned the gloves were off.

A known murderer and bastard with little political support, few soldiers present - he looks guilty of a crime and is guilty of said crime. If he was an Npc he would be dead by now.

Playing the wild "
heel"
is fun, but you need to own it when things go wrong.

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