Re: Athelstan - Iron mines

[Theomore Tullison]

I don't really see how Athelstan dying is a done deal unless Baelon orders him executed on the spot?

[Nathaniel Mason]

Well. I certainly don't understand the nuances of the situation without all the information, but I do understand authority.

House Marsten is the head of this investigation, and Lady Corrine is the head of House Marsten.

While she did not directly order Baelon to stand down, her wishes were pretty clear and Baelon pretty well ignored her throughout.

[Loreia]

You could still keep your character. Let the archers cripple you, and then you can go to the Wall. During the offseason, you can get promoted to ranger and become one of those wandering Crows who recruit people! We talked about this way back, how the Night's Watch might have a PC presence in this campaign, and Reader seemed to have an idea how.

[Athelstan]

There is no crippling Baelon intends to kill Athelstan as shown IC regardless, and making political turmoil.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Please stop saying I intend to kill you, I don't and never have. In fact, I hereby declare that no Drakeson blade or arrow will draw Athelston's blood. Should he attack, I will smash his axe and have him subdued.
If he runs, I will have the bloodriders surround him. I don;
t want Athelstan to die or to be crippled - I want his damn information - ALL of it, not just the piddly bits he's said IC.

If you want death, admit your crimes and convince Corrine (or whomever else) to execute you. Or go jump off a cliff. I don't care.

[Athelstan]

The axe is castle forged and should I attack first, well things can go different, it would take you 2 turns to break that axe.

Edit: Maybe one very lucky roll could.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Castle forged wood handle? Might be tougher than normal wood, but I snapped an iron chain in one hit... I'm not worried.

Edit: also, I think a strong argument could be made that Baelon was prepared to counter attack.

[Athelstan]

Could be iron wood, RAW does not support that, I think as per smashing weapons so Im not worried lol. Yet if it is added that you can do that, is another thing.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Athelstan, you're totally missing thd point of what Baelon said. It's not about the ace. He's making it clear he would find ways to disarm or restrain you, specifically to avoid killing you. Therefore, you ought to stop insisting that his intention is to kill.

Well. I certainly don't understand the nuances of the situation without all the information, but I do understand authority.

House Marsten is the head of this investigation, and Lady Corrine is the head of House Marsten.

While she did not directly order Baelon to stand down, her wishes were pretty clear and Baelon pretty well ignored her throughout.

I should have been more forceful and used my authority, yes. I'm annoyed that I didn't think of that now. I doubt either party would have stood down anyway, though Nathan did ask the very relevant question of whether they'd have listened if Corrine were a man.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Actually, Reader, once the topic is unlocked, may I edit my last post there to have Corrine order them to stand down? I'm OOC ok with them still not listening, as long as I can follow that up afterwards.

[Theomore Tullison]

Well, I sort of found it consistent with Corrie's character that she acted as she did. And consistent with Baelon's character not to listen.

At any rate, this is Westeros, the only certainty is that it ain't over till the headsman swings.

Headsman in this case could be sword or arrow in a combat situation.

[Athelstan]

I wasnt arguing about that point that you think I missed, just that its a castle forged weapon, he has a better choice using disarm instead since the TN is 18 not 12, and you cant per RAW target specifict parts of the weapon like he said unless.I missed it or it is added, period. Never said his ontenrion are otherwise, of course IC we shall see

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Well, I sort of found it consistent with Corrie's character that she acted as she did. And consistent with Baelon's character not to listen.

I can see where you're coming from, but the thing is, Corrine wouldn't let someone walk all over her indefinitely. Baelon will already be in trouble with her for ignoring her clear requests to stop. She may be cautious about exerting her authority, but she still holds that authority, and after she's been ignored a few times, she would transition to anger. After all, would she still be ignored if she was a man? I think not, ICly. However, I feel there's a lot of OOC stubbornness interfering with the IC proceedings.

I wasnt arguing about that point that you think I missed, just that its a castle forged weapon, he has a better choice using disarm instead since the TN is 18 not 12, and you cant per RAW target specifict parts of the weapon like he said unless.I missed it or it is added, period. Never said his ontenrion are otherwise, of course IC we shall see

Athelstan, you've just proved how you missed the point. The weapons are irrelevant.

Seriously, both of you, look at yourselves right now. You're comparing weapons.

[Athelstan]

Because there is nothing to comment on the rest of it l, that part just stand out, so I made a comment on that, dont know how that is s problem other then I should take it to the mechanics thread.

Maybe you are just reading to much into it now?

Edit:some typos, doubt I got the 4ll

[Theomore Tullison]

Well, it kinda looks like a situation where Baelon is not going to hurt Athelstan, and Athelstan isn't going to tell Baelon the things he threatens to kill him if he doesn't tell him....no?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Uuuuurgh. Forget it. Do what you want. I don't have the energy for this. Athelstan, you've done some great rp in the past, and I'm sure you're not a bad person, but you're acting like a stroppy child right now. Please deal with that.



(By the way, Ralph is just rolling down a hill. He's fine.)

[Athelstan]

Correct, OOC I own my mischief, but if Im just a suspect IC why would I admit it lol, he never will, no hard evidence.

Edit: Dont want to be guess we are just not understanding each other.

[Theomore Tullison]

Correct, OOC I own my mischief, but if Im just a suspect IC why would I admit it lol, he never will, no hard evidence.

Edit: Dont want to be guess we are just not understanding each other.

Well, in that case, he has nothing to worry about?

Unless Baelon thinks it's a good idea to execute him on the spot, that is.

[Theomore Tullison]

This is also the sort of situation where I would advise those involved in that scene to simply put it out of your heads, have a good night's sleep, then try to make sense of what's really going on with a clear head.

[Reader]

Personally, may I suggest that an IC course of action out of this might be Corrine stepping in and demanding that Athelstan is taken into her custody? Because we're in a bit of awkward OOC situation currently.

I am very much in favour of this, and will act on it once the thread is unlocked.

I picked the wrong time to fall asleep.

Sold on this if Baelon and Athelstan are, but last time I checked Athelstan was committed to going for his axe. He can surrender to Corrine's custody.

Imprisonment is reasonable, but we may well still need a replacement character and Athelstan is still free to attack and try to force the issue.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Personally, may I suggest that an IC course of action out of this might be Corrine stepping in and demanding that Athelstan is taken into her custody? Because we're in a bit of awkward OOC situation currently.

I am very much in favour of this, and will act on it once the thread is unlocked.

I picked the wrong time to fall asleep.

Sold on this if Baelon and Athelstan are, but last time I checked Athelstan was committed to going for his axe. He can surrender to Corrine's custody.

Imprisonment is reasonable, but we may well still need a replacement character and Athelstan is still free to attack and try to force the issue.

That's reasonable. OOC, I don't mind if they still ignore her. Maybe she tries to interpose herself between them and order them to stop, but Ser Markus sees Athelstan go for his axe and pulls Corrine away before she gets caught in the crossfire?

[Athelstan]

I say it OOC I own my miss givings, IC no, unless it's more than suspicions.

So I die before I go prisoner and that's that, I won't admit IC to anything and will be in custody over what crime? No proof. Just suspicion.

He is already pulling her away Corrine.

Unless custody would be a "
protection sham"
to placate people, Athelstan is not going to roll with accepting something no one can probe it, no matte how much they blame him.

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

It's pretty routine to take suspects into custody even in today's comparatively suspect-friendly climate.

You wouldn't be in shackles or anything. Just guarded to make sure you didn't try anything funny while the evidence is being weighed.

[Reader]

Totally fine as a decision, Athelstan won't be caged again! Now just need to sort out with Baelon how he and his men handle things.

Halfway through! Corrine - will allow you to order them to cease: 15 words maximum as Athelstan goes for his axe, forcing Baelon's hand. Suicide by cataphracts? :;
):

[Athelstan]

It's pretty routine to take suspects into custody even in today's comparatively suspect-friendly climate.

You wouldn't be in shackles or anything. Just guarded to make sure you didn't try anything funny while the evidence is being weighed.

Sorry IC this is not the case, I'm under death threat regardless, so I'm not about act nice either.

Until I am satisfied that I have learned everything he knows - about his own and others' misdeeds.

This means you are guilty and I will kill you if I'm not satisfied = to admit it or die anyway in my book IC.

So don't play the into custody, it was never the intention IC (Edit: in Athelstans perspective)

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