Re: (D3 - LM) Search for Iron

[Daveth Coldbrook]

(OOC: I've been running my play-by-chat game the last few hours, and things have rather moved on. To me, if Lord Baelon wishes to take over my pre-existing intrigue or start a new one for the same purpose or whatever, I'm fine with that. Frankly, I just want this whole mess done with, and the less I have to do with it, the happier I'll be. I will just say I was genuinely OOC-unaware that the Dulvers were in the same place at the same time - unless a thread involves me, or looks particularly interesting, I don't tend to pay it too much attention. I'm a bit too busy to keep track of everything, and the times and places are big enough that unless another thread is explicitly referenced in a thread I'm reading, I assume no connection between them.)

[Reader]

[seconding Daveth's post and see my OOC post on the previous page]

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: I was thinking the two intrigues were for different purposes and thus could run side-by-side (mechanically speaking, that is possible, though for balance sake I would say we can't assist etc. each other).
Daveth is trying to convince the Septon about what happened, Baelon is trying to charm the Septon into thinking of him as a righteous person - influencing his attitude about why it happened.
Up to you if you want to continue yours or not.]

[Septon Arlyn]

[Waiting on a pm from the reader]

[Daveth Coldbrook]

(Ehhh, we'll need to careful to separate the mechanics, and it means Ser Jorah can only assist/mollify one of us, but sure. Let's see how this goes.)

Daveth makes placating gestures towards the septon. "
You seem to be upset over us not acting on information we did not have, Septon. How were we to know that Athelstan had converted, that you had a friendship to build on? Why would we need to contact you when Lady Corrine was right there? And I fundamentally disagree with you - questioning people who have created or modified the evidence we seek *is* our purpose as investigators. The moment that Athelstan turned against the royal writ and chose to make the evidence meet what he wanted, rather than how it was, he became a valid subject for questioning.

"
Now, you can criticise our results, for they were what none of us sought or wanted, but I do request that you take a few breaths to calm yourself. You're clearly upset over losing someone you clearly hoped to redeem, and we are all shocked, so we are none of us in a best state for calm, reasoned thought. A few minutes to step back and calm down for all of us can only be a good thing for the investigation as a whole."


Intrigue Defence: 10
Composure: 12/12
Disposition: indifferent (DR4, +0/+0)
Action: Consider (+2B next round)

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: For the sake of keeping things straight, I'm including both my intrigue stats and Arlyn's in my posts. Daveth, you might want to do the same.]

"
Septon, perhaps I was overzealous in my pursuit of the truth - I do have a bit of fire in my blood. Surely though, you can understand why such haste was necessary. Every minute we waste here decreases the likelihood that we find that wildfire before tragedy strikes. If I did not do all I could to stop it, I would not be living up to the ideals that I swore to as a knight. There are innocent lives at stake here, Septon. Fire is an indiscriminate killer - women, children... I won't - can't ignore that."


Exchange 1 Action:
[url=Ex1 vs S.Arlyn Persuasion(Charm)][/url]: 6d6+2-2 22 2#1d6 2 2 ->
23 3 DoS, 12 influence before DR.
So close to 4 DoS. Ah well.

Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 9/9
Frustration: 0

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: ???
Disposition: ???
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 12/12
Frustration: 0

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Corrine, finally gathering herself enough to speak, stands, and steps closer, Ser Markus staying close to her.

"
Athelstan said he made markings to show the way to the wildfire, so that it wasn't out in the open where it could be stumbled upon unwittingly, but could still be located. We just need to find a marker and follow it,"
she offers, tentatively.

[Septon Arlyn]

Daveth Coldbrook
Intrigue Defense: 10
Composure: 12/12
Disposition: indifferent (DR4, +0/+0)


Septon Arlyn
Intrigue Defense: 9 (17)
Composure: 4/12
Disposition: amiable (DR3, -2/+1)
frustrations 1/4


"
Daveth, Although it does upset me that Athelstan Pyke has died. I can accept that he may have committed suicide, however I want you to share, ALL, of the information that you have gathered on these mines, With House Dulver an House Marsten. Also I feel that if there is wildfyre unaccounted for, I feel that our best tracker should assist with the discovery of the wildfyre. As well I feel that the other Houses should be notified of this danger. If Baleon and you are correct then this a threat to the realm, and we must put aside our petty differences, as well as others mad search for glory."
Shooting a glance at Baelon, "
And work together on this. Let us put aside our differences and find this cache of wildfire."



[OOC Yield offer: I will accept that Athelstan commited suicide, but the Coldbrooks will reveal all their evidence against him, as well as their other findings at the mines to both House Dulver and House Marestan, Also the services of Luecian Longbow and the House Dulvers trappers will be available to assist in finding the wildfyre]

[Septon Arlyn]

Corrine, finally gathering herself enough to speak, stands, and steps closer, Ser Markus staying close to her.

"
Athelstan said he made markings to show the way to the wildfire, so that it wasn't out in the open where it could be stumbled upon unwittingly, but could still be located. We just need to find a marker and follow it,"
she offers, tentatively.

"
Thank you Lady Corrine, I feel that this is very helpful. If The ironborn did leave it in a place that would not be easily stumbled upon, then it stands to reason that he would have made sure that it could still be found by him. Unfortunately now that he is no longer here among us, Let us work together to find where he placed it. Maybe those who are more skilled in the art of survival might have an easier time determining what type of tracks the Ironborn might leave. That way it will be easier to follow in his foot steps.

Lady Corrine, do you remember anything in particular about the conversation you had with him about the marks? Did he tell you what they might look like? Or possibly what the tool was he used to make it? Any small thing might be helpful in determining where to look."
Septon Arlyn looked at Lady Corrine, Proud that she had found her voice and courage to speak.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

She was still clearly in shock, her hands shaking and her face pale. She had her arms wrapped protectively around herself, and Ser Markus had a hand at her back to steady her. But she looked at the Septon with a determination to do somd good.

However, she shook her head slowly.

"
I am sorry, Septon. He did not tell me anything specific. I found a shard from a wildfire pot in the Bracken mine, but Athelstan said he planted that there, so I think the wildfire will be in a Blackwood mine. Or maybe the shard was a marker. I honestly don't know."

[Septon Arlyn]

She was still clearly in shock, her hands shaking and her face pale. She had her arms wrapped protectively around herself, and Ser Markus had a hand at her back to steady her. But she looked at the Septon with a determination to do somd good.

However, she shook her head slowly.

"
I am sorry, Septon. He did not tell me anything specific. I found a shard from a wildfire pot in the Bracken mine, but Athelstan said he planted that there, so I think the wildfire will be in a Blackwood mine. Or maybe the shard was a marker. I honestly don't know."

The shard was a marker... "
Lady Corrine, did you ever speak to Dustin about the mines? He planted the evidence there? or did he find pots of wildfyre in the open and attempt to hide them in the mine?"


"
Lady Corrine, do you think you could come with me on a thought exercise?"

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: Arlyn, I'd like to remind you that you are in an intrigue with me as well...]

[Ser Raynald Dulver]

Raynald and his band of vile men came behind the Septon, following him with gleaming cruel little eyes. The Whoresons were made of a very different cloth than the Bloodriders. While Drakeson's men wore the beautiful colors of the noble house they served, the Whoresons were covered by stolen armor, picked from fallen enemies in the battlefield, only sharing with their leader the same blood red cape that he was wearing.

But fool would be the one who thinks those men were without discipline. In spite of the dirt of their faces and their aspect of brutallity, they easily positioned themselves in a semicircle around the priest and the Dulvers, and though unimpressive, their equipment was well kept and maintained, with sharp steel swords and sturdy and thick shields brown in thr color of the oak that made them. They also shared Raynald's eyes, it was very clear to see. A wild light was inside their stares, wanting for violence, for rape, for mocking. All mad. Like a band of wild dogs.

And madder of all was Raynald. A big old man with a huge beard of hair both red and grey. He was wearing a Myrish scale armor under the red tabbard with his symbol, two white hammers crossed on a red field, and he had his longsword Bitch on his belt. But in the horse he was pullying by the reins was his other blade, a monstrous greatsword called Mother Whore. He circled the Septon twice before standing right at his right side, in complete and disturbing silence. His ice blue eyes were fixed on Baelon and his men, almost as if there was no one else in the world besides the twenty one riders and the twelve warriors.

[Septon Arlyn]

[OOC: For the sake of keeping things straight, I'm including both my intrigue stats and Arlyn's in my posts. Daveth, you might want to do the same.]

"
Baelon, While I appreciate your willingness to take quick and decisive action, especially in the name of upholding your vows to help save innocent women and children, What I do not approve of is moving without notifying other royal investigators. did you even think to have someone else question the Ironborn? Someone who may have had less of a volatile relationship with your lordship? You have two perfect canidates in your own ranks to question the Iron born. Ser Jorah, a man above reproach, who romours have reached my ears is favored to be a kings guard, a most honorable and exhalted position. Or your Leige Daveth, the hero who saved Lady Tullison from an incurable sickness? Who spoke so eloquently at the tournament of riverrun last year that the Maesters themselves took note of him. In stead you charged ahead of your liege, and instead of bringing forth the evidence in front of lady Corrine your proceeded to question him, presumeably sharply, For as you have said yourself that you have fire and passion in your blood. Do you not think that mayhaps a cooler head to talk to a prime suspect might have been in order? Prehaps Lady Corrine? Head of house of the House that is leading this investigation? "
Septon Arlyn looks sharply at Baelon

"
My Lord, I am but humble Septon of House Dulver, but I say that in a show of good faith you should lay bare your investigations in front of Lady Corrine and all of House Dulver assembled here, I think I can speak for House Dulver in saying that we desire the truth of your investigations, Not more bold actions that lead to possibly more unnecessary death."


Exchange 1 Action:
[url=pious roll with authoitative convince][/url]: 7d6k6+2 28
4 damage per DOS
4 DOS * 4 = 16 - 5 = 11 damage to composure 1 frustration to absorb 3 = 8 damage

Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 9/9
Frustration: 0

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: Baelon makes an effort of transparency by revealing what else he knows about various places he has investigated
Disposition: dislike (-2 persuasion, authoritative reduce negative by 2, DR 5)[dislike because of feelings like he mishandled Athelstan situation and have taken too many liberties in not contacting other houses with investigation results]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 5/12
Frustration: 0[/quote]

[Baelon Drakeson]

Yield offer:
1) Baelon will reveal his investigation results to Septon Arlyn and Lady Corrine Marsten (via PM, with Reader included for verification)
EDIT: Clarification: this would represent an IC private conversation between the three of them.
1b) one logistical caveat - information on Kyle Bracken is not to be shared with anyone else until I have finished my scene with him (and I reserve the right to make him harder to find should I deem it appropriate).
2) Septon Arlyn will agree that Baelon acted appropriately given the gravity of the situation, and will share that opinion freely (now and in the future).
3) Baelon and Septon Arlyn both move to Amiable.

Exchange 2 Action:
<
on hold pending yield negotiation>


Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 1/9
Frustration: 1

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: Baelon makes an effort of transparency by revealing what else he knows about various places he has investigated
Disposition: dislike (-2 persuasion, authoritative reduce negative by 2, DR 5)[dislike because of feelings like he mishandled Athelstan situation and have taken too many liberties in not contacting other houses with investigation results]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 5/12
Frustration: 0

[Septon Arlyn]

[I'm having a hard time accepting your "
evidence "
at face value as there is no way to know that you know more then we already do, therefore I'm having a hard time accepting point 2. I would edit that to be, Iwill agree that Baelon acted desperately given the gravity of the situation and that House Coldbrook made a mistake by not fully recognizing the act of sending Ser Baelon to confront the ironborn given their history, and will share that opinion freely (now and in the future).

Writing you a blank check in very little IC evidence to agree that you appropriately acted based on unknown evidence is a little too much.

Everything else is fine]

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: The yield process is OOC, not IC - the IC gets shaped to fit the OOC result. If you were to OOC agree to take the yield, there would be some IC reason that Septon Arlyn feels that way - he is swayed by Baelon's charming ways, or (depending on the outcome of your intrigue with Daveth) he is convinced by the evidence, or something.

As for the evidence, I don't know what you know, or if we have more evidence than you. All I know is that [url=Reader has stated][/url] that it is good evidence, and it's good enough for all but the most politically motivated greens to agree it was justified.

Also, as I will be making clear when I respond IC to your statements, House Coldbrook didn't OOC or IC send me, so the latter part of your proposed revision would not be correct or acceptable - I won't have others blamed for my choices.

So - was that a yield rejection and counteroffer, or just discussion? If the latter, the door is still open to you accepting or making a counter-offer in line with the discussion. If the former, I may not yield and have to take my action... only one yield/counteroffer pair per character per exchange.]

[Septon Arlyn]

[I am nearly 90% sure we have the same information as you IC at this point in time, and IC Septon Arlyn believes that Athelstan was committed to changing his ways. Also the information we have gathered did not necessarily reach the requirements of a clear and present danger that you are describing in your posts. At least not one that would justify not at least sending deligates to other houses with the information gathered. Yes it is a risk, yes it is a danger, and if what you are saying is true then you might very well have killed the best lead we had in finding out where this substance is quickly. So with the offers rejected it is now your move.]

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: I killed no one, just a horse. I doubt the horse was much of a lead.]

"
You would have me put my lord's heir at risk of a known kinslayer, one suspected of plotting treason or mass murder? I am not foolish enough for that. As for the interrogation, I instructed Athelstan to answer the questions of all royal investigators. Had you been here to ask questions, I would have insisted he answer them, as well. Had Athelstan offered to surrender to be questioned by all houses, I would have gladly accepted. These things did not come to pass - Athelstan would not stand down, would not surrender to be questioned - had you been here, nothing would have changed. You seem to think that I was responsible for his death, but you are wrong - the only one responsible lies dead in that mine."


Exchange 2 Action:

Spend 2 glory for +2B.
[url=Ex2 Charm with +2B][/url]: 8d6k5+2-2 26 2#1d6 1 4 4 DoS, 16 - 5(DR) = 11, - 8 (2 frustration) = 3 influence

Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 1/9
Frustration: 1

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: Baelon makes an effort of transparency by revealing what else he knows about various places he has investigated
Disposition: dislike (-2 persuasion, authoritative reduce negative by 2, DR 5)[dislike because of feelings like he mishandled Athelstan situation and have taken too many liberties in not contacting other houses with investigation results]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 2/12
Frustration: 2

[Reader]

[ooc: Spoilers for in Bruges.



Baelon's men recover Athelstan's body. It's messy but intact - think Brendan Gleeson in In Bruges]

[Septon Arlyn]

[[OOC: Septon Arlyn has already started that he feels like you questioning the ironborn pushed him to a place where he felt as if he would rather die then talk, mainly because of your shared history]


quote="
Baelon"
]
"
You would have me put my lord's heir at risk of a known kinslayer, one suspected of plotting treason or mass murder? I am not foolish enough for that. As for the interrogation, I instructed Athelstan to answer the questions of all royal investigators. Had you been here to ask questions, I would have insisted he answer them, as well. Had Athelstan offered to surrender to be questioned by all houses, I would have gladly accepted. These things did not come to pass - Athelstan would not stand down, would not surrender to be questioned - had you been here, nothing would have changed. You seem to think that I was responsible for his death, but you are wrong - the only one responsible lies dead in that mine."


"
The sea wyrm was on foot correct? And he even sea wyrm do not have wings to fly, Lord Baelon. Daveth could have easily questioned the ironborn from where he sits not. Your men could have been around Lord Daveth to protect him. Aye he was a bastard, but no one has yet to give me adequate proof that there *is* a plot of treason or mass murder. Right now you speak of things that have yet to come to pass or see fruition.

My Lord Baelon, your tone with me during this exchange is troublesome, you speak of another tragedy occurring. Am I to believe that *I* might join the ironborn down the mineshaft if I do not agree with your recounting of events?

My Lord Baelon, I feel that if you are a true and honorable knight there should be no issue with you sharing what you have learned in your investigations thus far with those assembled here. I'm sure that My Lady Corinne would be greatly relieved to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Athelstan had a plot to use wildfyre to murder innocent's. Please present your incontrovertible evidence of wrong doing please. Show me that Athelstan was not trying to change his ways. "

Septon Arlyn round 2 exchange


[url=Convince Baelon to tell what he knows to lady Corrine and house dulver, iron mines round 2][/url]: 6d6k4+2 21

3 dos = 12 -5 = 7 -6 (2 frustration) = 1 influence

Exchange 2 Action:

Spend a DP to reduce the number by three
[url=Ex2 Charm with +2B][/url]: 8d6k5+2-2 26 2#1d6 1 4 4 DoS, 12 - 5(DR) = 7, - 4 (1 frustration) = 3 influence

Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 1/9
Frustration: 1

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: Baelon makes an effort of transparency by revealing what else he knows about various places he has investigated
Disposition: dislike (-2 persuasion, authoritative reduce negative by 2, DR 5)[dislike because of feelings like he mishandled Athelstan situation and have taken too many liberties in not contacting other houses with investigation results]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 2/12
Frustration: 2[/quote]

[Baelon Drakeson]

Exchange 2 wrap up:

Spend a DP to reduce the number by three
[url=Ex2 Charm with +2B][/url]: 8d6k5+2-2 26 2#1d6 1 4 4 DoS, 12 - 5(DR) = 7, - 4 (1 frustration) = 3 influence

Spend a DP to negate your DP expenditure, back to 4 DoS, 16 - 5(DR) = 11, - 8 (2 frustration) = 3 influence

[url=Convince Baelon to tell what he knows to lady Corrine and house dulver, iron mines round 2][/url]: 6d6k4+2 21
3 dos = 12 -5 = 7 -6 (2 frustration) = 1 influence

Additional frustration drops this to 18, 2 DoS, 8 -5(DR) = 3 - 3 (1 frustration) = 0 influence

Exchange 3 Action:
<
on hold for yield process>

[OOC: I have a good chance of rendering you ineffective with this action, so I don't need to offer a yield - but we've both put significant resources into this and I don't see why we shouldn't both get something out of it. The terms are not so generous as the last one, but you had your opportunity for that one.]

Yield offer:
1) Baelon will reveal most of his investigation results to Septon Arlyn and Lady Corrine Marsten in a private meeting (via PM, with Reader included for verification) - only information on Kyle Bracken will be withheld (and even then depending on how that other scene goes I may take it all public anyway).
2) Septon Arlyn will agree that Baelon is a true knight acted righteously for the good of all, and will share that opinion freely (now and in the future).
3) Standard Charm results: Septon Arlyn's disposition increases by one and Baelon receives +1D on persuasion/deception tests in the next intrigue.

Baelon
[url=Intrigue Initiative][/url]: 4d6+2 20
Objective: "
Friendship"
: Believe that Baelon is a true knight, acting righteously for the greater good
Disposition: Dislike (-2 Persuasion, 5DR) [Dislike because of your accusations, and because Baelon feels you are playing politics at the risk of innocent lives - normally would be indifferent]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 1/9
Frustration: 2

Septon Arlyn
Initiative: (can't beat Baelon's)
Objective: Baelon makes an effort of transparency by revealing what else he knows about various places he has investigated
Disposition: dislike (-2 persuasion, authoritative reduce negative by 2, DR 5)[dislike because of feelings like he mishandled Athelstan situation and have taken too many liberties in not contacting other houses with investigation results]
Intrigue Defense: 9
Composure: 2/12
Frustration: 2

[Septon Arlyn]

[Where are you getting your +2 from?

[Reader]

[Where are you getting your +2 from?

[ooc: septon, my guess is this is from Blood of Valyria - the version in chapter 5's errata is a bit stronger:

viewtopic.php?f=81&
t=55 - link is in that post]

[Baelon Drakeson]

[OOC: Reader is correct.]

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