Re: Game Discussion

[Yoren longshore]

Everyone does their own thing, Yoren is just not certain lawyering is the right fit for you :;
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[Theomore Tullison]

In fairness, Jorah is not the type you'd want to sit on a tribunal. I wouldn't call him stupid, but he is a simple good knight, trying to do what is right and just while serving his liege and staying out of the game of thrones. That isn't a negative, but it makes him unsuitable for politics, and justice is politics in Westeros.

It does make him suitable for other things, like kingsguard.

[Baelon Drakeson]

In fairness, Jorah is not the type you'd want to sit on a tribunal. I wouldn't call him stupid, but he is a simple good knight, trying to do what is right and just while serving his liege and staying out of the game of thrones. That isn't a negative, but it makes him unsuitable for politics, and justice is politics in Westeros.

It does make him suitable for other things, like kingsguard.

That all depends on what you want out of a tribunal. Not everyone puts politics above justice.

[Ereth Redwain]

In fairness, Jorah is not the type you'd want to sit on a tribunal. I wouldn't call him stupid, but he is a simple good knight, trying to do what is right and just while serving his liege and staying out of the game of thrones. That isn't a negative, but it makes him unsuitable for politics, and justice is politics in Westeros.

It does make him suitable for other things, like kingsguard.

That all depends on what you want out of a tribunal. Not everyone puts politics above justice.

In Westeros justice is very relative and more often than not politically inclined.

[Kevan Lyras]

Nope, it is tribunals' decisions who are often politically inclined. Justice is still justice it just does not happen that often :;
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[Baelon Drakeson]

Also, 'more often than not' implies 'not always', so there is still room for an honest judge.
Even if some would prefer a corrupt judge they can buy off. :;
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[Reader]

The rapacious house Strong views Baelon's words with great sadness.

"
I would agree, but now that Ser Steffon is barred from taking the black, we must be rid of the wall clause altogether. Ser Tyron left to wreak havoc would be terrible for peace, but compared to a collapsing House Bracken it would be harmless. One man may do much ill, but to essentially invite the surrounding houses to carve up Bracken properties would create warfare on an even larger scale than has already happened. No, we must strike that clause and deal with Ser Tyron solely on the merits of his own crimes."

As for Ser Jorah's suitability for a tribunal: think of it as putting an early years Barristan Selmy on your tribunal. Even those who are more politically minded are forced by cultural conventions to praise and respect the judgements of "
true knights"
even if inside they're furiously eye-rolling. Men with good character and reputation can be useful tools to others!

[Yoren longshore]

Make sure that only one member from each house vote. If I've missed a issue I will add it to the list.

http://strawpoll.me/6504524 http://strawpoll.me/6504555

http://strawpoll.me/6504589

http://strawpoll.me/6504615

http://strawpoll.me/6504627

http://strawpoll.me/6504642

http://strawpoll.me/6504657

http://strawpoll.me/6504677

http://strawpoll.me/6504701

http://strawpoll.me/6504712

http://strawpoll.me/6504742

http://strawpoll.me/6504755

Shamelessly bumping this in case some house leaders have missed it.

[Kevan Lyras]

Seems like we need a discussion on Himprey Piper as we have 3 different votes. All the other topics seem to be less of a problem to decide.
Maybe we can have the voters explain why the voted as they did on this topic?

[Yoren longshore]

Yes, we could do that in the treaty discussion.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I'll start voting now. Sorry for the delay.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Having trouble with the mines poll. There's no option to split the revenues between the Crown and rebuilding.

[Ereth Redwain]

Godspeed on finding common ground, I do believe that fixing the salted fields should be more expensive than the mines, but that is my two cents on the matter of payments, how to deal with Tyron Blackwood... House Redwain can always use capable men lmao!

[Yoren longshore]

Corrine: Sorry about that, I didn't think of that possibility . If that poll doesn't get a clean winner we'll make a new one, including that option.

Some of the polls already has four votes for it. Those can be considered passed, as there's only seven eligible voters. Some of the rest have three, and only need one more vote. Those that are still in a stalemate with no clear winner can be brought up for discussion, while a new poll is created. Then if that doesn't work I'd say just cutting the possibility with the least votes until we get it through.

If we all just keep up a little steam, I'd guess we can have the results in a very short time :;
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[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I've voted in all of them except the mines one, because Corrine's specific will is to have the mines revenue split between the Crown and the rebuilding effort, until the rebuilding is done, after which all revenues would start going to the Crown again.

[Yoren longshore]

So here is a list over what's been decided:
Tyron Blackwood will be exiled
25% of their house fortunes must be for land wealth or population.
50% will go to law or rebuilding.
Arran will be killed, although wether he retains his chains is uncertain.
Dornish merchants will not be used, though it's still undecided if dorne is closed out alltogether.

of the rest all but humphrey piper seems to be on its way to be resolved. Humphrey will have to do a bit off work...

[Baelon Drakeson]

I do not think we have the authority to strip Maester Arran of his chain. That is the Citadel's decision (which, OOC, we know will happen, but will not know IC until after the treaty is formed). That's why it is merely worded as a suggestion in the draft I came up with.

Also, some of these things (particularly but not exclusively the Dornish Merchants) need to be discussed. Only one side of that argument has been heard... and from Theo, who is not exactly unbiased on matters regarding Pennytree.

[Davain Bartheld]

Then let's let those who have votes decided. Are we for or against Baelon speaking on the topic of the Dornish merchants? While I am pretty confident on how I will vote in the matter, I am willing to hear Baelon out.

[Baelon Drakeson]

We all have a voice in that tent, so long as we don't piss off Lady Corrine too much. :;
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It's more a matter of whether or not those polls are held inviolate or not - I think they better serve as an OOC weather-vane for the IC voting, to the extent that on some of the issues if there is no objection we can even gloss over the IC voting. They are simply too limited to handle all of the options, and the prior OOC discussion centered around a few hot-button issues, so several things fell to the wayside.

[Benedict Marsten]

I agree with Baelon. I have sent a PM to Corrine stating my opinion on the matter and may speak on it, in the treaty thread.

I should have reviewed the polls as I was unaware that was one of the voting points. It needs the voice of Theo's opposition to be heard, before a vote.

[Septon Arlyn]

I just thought if some thing. Prepare your tin foil hats folks!

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
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[Yoren longshore]

You can of course talk to try to sway people IC but I think Theomore has at least three PCs that's told him that he can rely on them.

Arlyn: That's why we don't want the Blacks :;
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[Septon Arlyn]

Besides, as I stated in the Ser Wyl thread, is more helpful to the Black's to leave the dornish out of the treaty, but I am interested to hear the arguments for it

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Is that to me? Well of course Gwyn will try to talk about it IC. Why wouldn't she?

OOC I have no expectations. This is all in-character.

[Septon Arlyn]

No, i was referencing Yoren post which that is what Ben am and baelon were talking, the dornish in the treaty I think.

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