Re: Game Discussion

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Ah yeah, I meant Yoren's post about PC's telling Theo they were behind him, despite IC talking to.

[Kevan Lyras]

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
):

It will shock you to hear that this idea was kicked around at the beginning of story 2, but it did not come from me
(Just another step on my path to hand of the (black) king! )

[Septon Arlyn]

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
):

It will shock you to hear that this idea was kicked around at the beginning of story 2, but it did not come from me
(Just another step on my path to hand of the (black) king! )

Well that just tells you how slow I am on the uptake then huh :-)

[Samurel Manderly]

I just thought if some thing. Prepare your tin foil hats folks!

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
):

Well isn't it technically that the blacks adhere more to the wishes and commands of their monarch rather then the strict rules of tradition?

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

There's some grey area there.

Technically, Black supporters are just those who support the Princess. WHY they support her is somewhat open to interpretation.

[Reader]

There's some grey area there.

Technically, Black supporters are just those who support the Princess. WHY they support her is somewhat open to interpretation.

This is the case: both sides are reasonably broad coalitions with different motivations. The key issues to consider in character creation deliberately went in to the "
why?"
of picking sides.

[Septon Arlyn]

I just thought if some thing. Prepare your tin foil hats folks!

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
):

Well isn't it technically that the blacks adhere more to the wishes and commands of their monarch rather then the strict rules of tradition?

spoliers (ish) ahead, these events all happened in the past but may not be widespread IC public knowledge.

His brother Viserys's first wife, Aemma Arryn, died birthing Baelon Targaryen, Viserys' second son (the first son had died in the cradle). The boy died a day after his birth. Daemon was observed in a brothel in the Street of Silk making drunken japes with his cronies about the "
Heir for a day"
. When word of this reached the grieving King Viserys, his grief quickly turned to rage and King Viserys had Rhaenyra declared the heir in response to his ungrateful brothers apathy, Daemon left the capital in a fury.

There is the thought that maybe the king didn't want Daemon to be in power, hence why he named his only living child, who was also a female, heir. This caused Daemon to be upset and tell off the king, who then exiled him. Then Prince Daemon conquered the Stepstones, got bored of ruling, and gave the crown of the stepstones to his brother the king. The king forgave him and revoked his exile. Then Prince Daemon, either because Rayhalla was a looker and targareons say traditions be damned or because he wanted to be king but king consort was a close second (depends on who is telling the story, the greens or the blacks), slept with his virginal niece (who was like what 13-14 at the time?)

While Daemon was cold with Viserys wife, Queen Alicent and her children (who had pushed him further down in the line of succession), his niece Rhaenyra was a different matter. Daemon spent hours in her company, praising her beauty, enthralling her with tales of his adventures, giving her gifts and mocking her step mother and her cronies.After six months since his return, it was rumored that Prince Daemon took Princess Rhaenyra's virginity prior to her sixteenth name day. Lyonel Strong counseled the livid King Viserys that Daemon should be executed for treason. Septon Eustace, however, reminded the council about the taint of kinslaying, thus Daemon was exiled instead.[4]

Daemon returned to Bloodstone in the Stepstones and resumed his struggle over his barren Kingdom. [4]

Third marriage
Later in the same year Daemon married again, this time to his niece, Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen. This marriage was performed suddenly without King Viserys knowledge or consent. It caused a huge scandal when word reached King's Landing, as either Laena, nor Laenor Velaryon, Rhaenyra's previous husband, had been dead for six months. According to Mushroom it was Prince Daemon who arranged the death of Laenor Velaryon by paying Ser Qarl Correy to kill him thus making Rhaenyra available to marry. [4]

Prince Daemon and Princess Rhaenyra, would have two sons together: Prince Aegon, born in 120 AC, and Prince Viserys, born in 122 AC.[4]

So basically prince daemon is power playing and trying to use an earlier wishes of the king for Prince Daemon to be shuffled from the line of succession and instead using to be co rule with the princess.

I'm not saying that the greens case is any better, but there is more to it there merely greens = andal way = man power and blacks = dorne way = women power.

There's some grey area there.

Technically, Black supporters are just those who support the Princess. WHY they support her is somewhat open to interpretation.

This is the case: both sides are reasonably broad coalitions with different motivations. The key issues to consider in character creation deliberately went in to the "
why?"
of picking sides.

basically this ^^ :8-):

[Benedict Marsten]

You can of course talk to try to sway people IC but I think Theomore has at least three PCs that's told him that he can rely on them.

Votes schmotes. Sway who you will, but this is a Marsten-tatorship with a smoke screen to make you lot feel you have power.

Technically, according to the Black's philosophy of women inheriting in line with the birth order, shouldn't they be arguing for Lady Sofia to become the head of House, as she is older then Lord Benji?

And if she becomes head of House then Ser kevan would become Lord consort like Lord ben is...


All hail Lord kevan lyars, the new co ruler of House Blackwood's lands! :;
):

It will shock you to hear that this idea was kicked around at the beginning of story 2, but it did not come from me
(Just another step on my path to hand of the (black) king! )

I won't point any fingers, but it was this guy. We could have ruled the Vale and Riverlands if it weren't for those damn dulvers and their meddling Septon.

[Septon Arlyn]

I won't point any fingers, but it was this guy. We could have ruled the Vale and Riverlands if it weren't for those damn dulvers and their meddling Septon.

I just sprayed water all over my computer screen lol

[Reader]

The Sofia Blackwood power play was one of the many interesting ideas I've seen cooked up in private forums. Lots of good speculation on various NPC motivations too.

This and various investigations questions can be kicked around in post story Q&
A.

[Reader]

Also: Yoren-Gwyn "
arrest"
is dramatic and interesting. Player driven plots are great.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

If someone else wants to talk about Pennytree, they can go ahead. I'm just concerned anout endless debating bogging us down. I was hoping we'd have the treaty much further along by now. I was under the impression that there was more agreement.

[Yoren longshore]

If someone else wants to talk about Pennytree, they can go ahead. I'm just concerned anout endless debating bogging us down. I was hoping we'd have the treaty much further along by now. I was under the impression that there was more agreement.

We're pretty much all agreed, it's just a lot easier to see what we are not agreeing on. If you look at the votes we pretty much only need to focus on Lucas.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

What are we waiting on in the Treaty thread?

[Reader]

Well done all. Good luck cooking up a Lucas verdict and PM me if it looks like NPC votes are needed.

[Baelon Drakeson]

We're pretty much all agreed, it's just a lot easier to see what we are not agreeing on. If you look at the votes we pretty much only need to focus on Lucas.

That may change with a little bit of discussion, particularly on the matter of the Dornish merchants. I'd bring that up IC, but Baelon has no cue that there is a motion on the floor to change the current wording. It's all been done OOC.

[Ereth Redwain]

Everything can always change IC, after all we got Theo's version, and someone else will add something to it.

Tyron is "
agreed"
on exile but not the details of it either, which might cause more arguments.

[Davain Bartheld]

Which is why I asked the voters on if a little discussion on the Dornish even matters.If no one looking to change the vote than the matter is falling on deaf ears.

[Reader]

What are we waiting on in the Treaty thread?

I've voted for Kytley in the treaty thread which should move things along.

Might be able to vote for Tullison from a separate IP address if necessary, although Theomore has the instruction in his House forum if necessary.

[Yoren longshore]

This really moves things along. Most of the treaty is now hammered down, and there's nothing major left. Perhaps we coupd skip straight to the disagreements in the treaty thread?

[Reader]

This really moves things along. Most of the treaty is now hammered down, and there's nothing major left. Perhaps we coupd skip straight to the disagreements in the treaty thread?

Splendid. Let's try to get things wrapped up by Friday, then I can kick D8 off on Saturday with my closing event and various trials by combat.

Good work Yoren.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

That would be awesome if we could consider the stuff with a clear winner discussed and dealt with, then focus on driving the few other things forward.

[Theomore Tullison]

Bah, why must I always make these things into walls of texts....sorry Ben

[Baelon Drakeson]

Third marriage
Later in the same year Daemon married again, this time to his niece, Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen. This marriage was performed suddenly without King Viserys knowledge or consent. It caused a huge scandal when word reached King's Landing, as either Laena, nor Laenor Velaryon, Rhaenyra's previous husband, had been dead for six months. According to Mushroom it was Prince Daemon who arranged the death of Laenor Velaryon by paying Ser Qarl Correy to kill him thus making Rhaenyra available to marry. [4]

Prince Daemon and Princess Rhaenyra, would have two sons together: Prince Aegon, born in 120 AC, and Prince Viserys, born in 122 AC.[4]

So basically prince daemon is power playing and trying to use an earlier wishes of the king for Prince Daemon to be shuffled from the line of succession and instead using to be co rule with the princess.

I'm not saying that the greens case is any better, but there is more to it there merely greens = andal way = man power and blacks = dorne way = women power.

Was just looking for something else and saw this again, and realized that I never posted the response I wanted to.

If the King was concerned that Daemon would be the next king, he could easily declare his son Aegon to be his heir, but he hasn't.
His Hand, [url=Ser Otto Hightower][/url] (the Queen's father) asked the King to do so, in fact so many times that he was sacked from his position for 11 years (109 to 120). The King's position is clear: Rhaenyra is heir, and Daemon will be the King/Queen's Consort. The King would prefer that Daemon rule by proxy than have Aegon the elder become Aegon II.

I'm not saying that Prince Daemon isn't playing for power. He might be.... but he might also might have fallen in love with the Princess. We don't know and can't know. On the Black side is Prince Daemon, on the Green side are the Hightowers. Both might just be true believers, but the cynic in me says that that both are at least in part motivated by a lust for power.

[Ser Walton Dulver]

I was just curious: is name Seven Kingdoms appropriate for this moment of Westerosi history? I mean, instead that, we have united Six Kingdoms and lone Dorne, right?

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