Re: Game Discussion

[Reader]

I was just curious: is name Seven Kingdoms appropriate for this moment of Westerosi history? I mean, instead that, we have united Six Kingdoms and lone Dorne, right?

Interesting question.!

As covered previously and in The World of Ice and Fire book, the Targaryens claim seven kingdoms and Dorne as part of their titles. Analogous to various medieval kings making claims to lands they didn't actually hold. Page references/quotes buried elsewhere in the forum.

[Baelon Drakeson]

For that matter, it depends on how you count kingdoms.
Aegon conquered six kingdoms, but he already had Dragonstone, making seven political units.

I'm sure Maesters debate (in private) about whether or not the stye is accurate.

[Loreia]

There is the North, the Riverlands, the Vale, the Reach, the Westerlands, the Crownlands, the Stormlands, and the Iron Islands. By my count, that's eight kingdoms which the Targaryens rule over, but they are still called the Seven Kingdoms. Dorne is not yet allied with the realm in any capacity.

[Kevan Lyras]

The Crownlands don't count and at the time the Targaryen's landed, Hoare held both the Iron Islands and the Riverlands. Hence, there is only 7 kingsdoms including Dorne.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Seven_Kingdoms

[Reader]

Cross posting from an older thread:

"
Nerd Alert: if we're to believe the "
World of Ice and Fire"
history book (as it's supposed to be a maester's account), the Targaryen Kings have always been styled as "
King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm"
. The text itself notes this is done pre Dorne's submission: the "
Seven Kingdoms"
and "
the Rhoynar"
elements aren't accurate in fact, but they're a claim. Medieval Kings did similarly at various points. [reference: p 45 of "
The World of Ice and Fire"
. Leaving this out isn't wise. :;
): The eagle eyed will notice I included the Rhoynar claim in the original letter from the king (I had to look it up to check how the Targaryens styled themselves at this point)."

[Theomore Tullison]

Making the eight refers to the seven kingdoms and the Riverlands, the Crownlands is more of a result of Aegon's initial powerbase than anything else. Seven Kingdoms refers to pre-conquest Westeros, and Dragonstone was a Valyrian outpost originally. Riverlands was more like a patchwork that was occupied by various other kings.

[Ser Walton Dulver]

Claim is one thing, but i started thinking about those 'Seven Kingdoms' we are using frequently in every day situation even if inmedieval someone was claiming something he doesn't have, rather no one was using those titles behind the scene, I guess

[Theomore Tullison]

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Isn't Florian serving the Mooton's who are rather black in leanings?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

http://dragonsdance.forumatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=175&
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Isn't Florian serving the Mooton's who are rather black in leanings?

Isn't he a Kingsguard? I thought they'd all be Green (or at least enough to be kept around).

[Yoren longshore]

http://dragonsdance.forumatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=175&
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Isn't Florian serving the Mooton's who are rather black in leanings?

Isn't he a Kingsguard? I thought they'd all be Green (or at least enough to be kept around).

There is some black kingsguard.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I know very little about Ser Florian, so I just assumed Kevan knew more than me.

[Theomore Tullison]

No, not Kingsguard. Sworn Sword to the Mootons. There's indeed black and green leaning kingsguard.

[Yoren longshore]

Ser Erryk Cargyll, Ser Arryk Cargyll, Ser Criston Cole, SerWillis Fell, Ser Rickard Thorne, Ser Steffon Darklyn and Ser Lorent Marbrand.
These were the kingsguard of the time.
Hope this helps :;
):

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I don't know why Kevan thinks he's Green then. Maybe he is. It's not like Houses are all consistent between members.

[Kevan Lyras]

Sorry my bad. I somehow thought he was green...

[Benedict Marsten]

They go green later.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Sorry my bad. I somehow thought he was green...

Not an egregious mistake. I'll edit my post if you edit yours.

[Baelon Drakeson]

"
It would be good if I could change minds like that. The "
women can't lead"
jibes are rather repetitive. But yes, it is good that everyone worked together. Hopefully we can make such co-operation happen again today. What do you think, Kevan? Do you think we can bring peace?"

Kevan sights: "
A lasting peace between Brackens and Blackwoods?"
, he shakes his head slowly: "
No, I do not think that is possible, I fear. But I am convinced that we improved the situation significantly and maybe, if we are lucky, we even managed to create a period of quietude before the feud breaks out again. That would be worth something...!"

"
I agree. There won't be true peace until one or other House ceases to exist. But if we can keep them from eachother's throats for a generation, at least, that will be an achievement. I think I came here with too many ideals about peace and justice. I nearly lost myself in desperation, trying to make everything right. But I'm only one person. I cannot right every wrong. That has been a hard lesson."

Glad to see my speech from the assembly took root, even if it wasn't delivered or received terribly well initially. :;
):

[Ser Jorah Holt]

I love how everybody is trying to avoid a war with Dorne
considering what House Wyl have coming their way

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

"
It would be good if I could change minds like that. The "
women can't lead"
jibes are rather repetitive. But yes, it is good that everyone worked together. Hopefully we can make such co-operation happen again today. What do you think, Kevan? Do you think we can bring peace?"

Kevan sights: "
A lasting peace between Brackens and Blackwoods?"
, he shakes his head slowly: "
No, I do not think that is possible, I fear. But I am convinced that we improved the situation significantly and maybe, if we are lucky, we even managed to create a period of quietude before the feud breaks out again. That would be worth something...!"

"
I agree. There won't be true peace until one or other House ceases to exist. But if we can keep them from eachother's throats for a generation, at least, that will be an achievement. I think I came here with too many ideals about peace and justice. I nearly lost myself in desperation, trying to make everything right. But I'm only one person. I cannot right every wrong. That has been a hard lesson."

Glad to see my speech from the assembly took root, even if it wasn't delivered or received terribly well initially. :;
):

To be fair, she already had those doubts. Perhaps why she didn't take kindly to having them prodded in public. :;
):

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I love how everybody is trying to avoid a war with Dorne
considering what House Wyl have coming their way

Corrine is merely trying to balance honesty with not looking for extra trouble.

[Ser Jorah Holt]

probably a bit late for that

[Septon Arlyn]

probably a bit late for that

are you kidding me? this titanic I think managed to avoid the biggest iceberg from what the reader posted about his original intentions, although more might be coming.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

probably a bit late for that

Nah. If we go in all hot &
heavy about Dorne trying to start a war, with only circumstantial evidence, it will be much worse than if we stick to the facts and don't stir up shit.

[Ser Jorah Holt]

Tentative Schedule - subject to change, I'll update this as I go along, adding months and moving things (will announce in thread)
1) Daleford resuce/personal offseason if not devoting it to this
2) Ser Jorah’s Ascension to the Kingsguard [some of you will be present at this]
3) Campaign again House Wyl [some PCs will be involved, not all]
4) Official event choice [canon events resolved in-game!]
a. Coryls Velaryon illness
b. Arrest of Ser Vaemond Velaryon [Ser Jorah will be allocated to this
5) Market town ownership resolution [offseaon's 2's "
House Event"
brings everyone together briefly]

- Plus potentially Ereth Redwain's wedding (and tournament) to work in for those invited!

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