Re: Game Discussion

[Reader]

Lord Tully looks forward to the birth of Daveth's child and delivery of his new hostage. I mean ward and pupil.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Pfft, no shame in being a good parent (and fun in the sack)

I was expecting a negative response to implying that you two had no other talents. :;
):
(Which of course was not meant as anything other than a joke)

It's not weddings that do it, case in point: yourself. :;
):

Oh, what does it is happening too, we just keep it "
off camera"
.

Maybe Gwyn just absolutely loves the taste of moon tea.
Or maybe one of us is infertile and it will be a plot issue for us to get an heir another way while keeping it a secret.
Or maybe we just don't want to bring a life into this f'd up world until it settles a bit (i.e. after the war)
Or maybe...

Well, all I can say is that not all of those are true.

[Ser Jorah Holt]

Lord Tully looks forward to the birth of Daveth's child and delivery of his new hostage. I mean ward and pupil.

if he survives long enough :;
):

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Pfft, no shame in being a good parent (and fun in the sack)

I was expecting a negative response to implying that you two had no other talents. :;
):
(Which of course was not meant as anything other than a joke)

It's not weddings that do it, case in point: yourself. :;
):

Oh, what does it is happening too, we just keep it "
off camera"
.

Maybe Gwyn just absolutely loves the taste of moon tea.
Or maybe one of us is infertile and it will be a plot issue for us to get an heir another way while keeping it a secret.
Or maybe we just don't want to bring a life into this f'd up world until it settles a bit (i.e. after the war)
Or maybe...

Well, all I can say is that not all of those are true.

Hey, it's none of my business. I was just playing. If there's a story reason, that's actually interesting, to me.

And, in our defence, we don't publicly post the gory details. If you wish our intimate threads/posts to be marked out, I can do that, if our overt affections are bothering you or anyone else. For us, it's part of the characterisation, the colour, and the fun, but we certainly don't intend to make anyone uncomfortable.

[Reader]

Lord Tully looks forward to the birth of Daveth's child and delivery of his new hostage. I mean ward and pupil.

if he survives long enough :;
):

Oh ho, fighting talk!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Lord Tully looks forward to the birth of Daveth's child and delivery of his new hostage. I mean ward and pupil.

if he survives long enough :;
):

My thoughts exactly!

[Daveth Coldbrook]

Lord Tully looks forward to the birth of Daveth's child and delivery of his new hostage. I mean ward and pupil.

Well, the deal was for that to happen when the heir reaches warding age, which is, what, six? Even if (as I expect) he cites some precedent reducing that considerably, there are simple biological limits that the baby possibly wouldn't *survive* the trip if taken too young, so we should still have at least a bit of time.

Also, I edited my post to make explicit that the Blackwoods were told about that deal during the negotiations. Since we'd established in previous threads that we were going to, I just OOC forgot to explicitly state it.

[Theomore Tullison]

Yeah, typical age for being sent away would be around six or so.

And Lord Tully is probably old enough that he may well end up on the bottom of the Trident before that time without anyone helping along the process.

[Kevan Lyras]

It's not weddings that do it, case in point: yourself. :;
):

Oh, what does it is happening too, we just keep it "
off camera"
.

Maybe Gwyn just absolutely loves the taste of moon tea.
Or maybe one of us is infertile and it will be a plot issue for us to get an heir another way while keeping it a secret.
Or maybe we just don't want to bring a life into this f'd up world until it settles a bit (i.e. after the war)
Or maybe...

Well, all I can say is that not all of those are true.

I think Corrine's comment was more directed to your origin rather than you and Gwyn :;
):

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

It's not weddings that do it, case in point: yourself. :;
):

Oh, what does it is happening too, we just keep it "
off camera"
.

Maybe Gwyn just absolutely loves the taste of moon tea.
Or maybe one of us is infertile and it will be a plot issue for us to get an heir another way while keeping it a secret.
Or maybe we just don't want to bring a life into this f'd up world until it settles a bit (i.e. after the war)
Or maybe...

Well, all I can say is that not all of those are true.

I think Corrine's comment was more directed to your origin rather than you and Gwyn :;
):

It was something of a double-hander. :;
): My point was meant in play.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Hey, it's none of my business. I was just playing. If there's a story reason, that's actually interesting, to me.

No worries, I'm just playing too.

And, in our defence, we don't publicly post the gory details. If you wish our intimate threads/posts to be marked out, I can do that, if our overt affections are bothering you or anyone else. For us, it's part of the characterisation, the colour, and the fun, but we certainly don't intend to make anyone uncomfortable.

That's not what I meant at all... just meant that just because it's not 'shown' doesn't mean it's not happening. Your threads don't bother me in the least... and the first post usually makes it pretty clear to me what's coming (there's a subtle difference in writing style) so if I don't feel like reading it, I don't have to. :;
):

I think Corrine's comment was more directed to your origin rather than you and Gwyn :;
):

Oh, that didn't even occur to me.

[Loreia]

[url=The Daleford Girl][/url]

I can't tell if I'm confused, or if everyone else is...

[Nathaniel Mason]

Actions
Hedge Knight 2: Move to A6, Spend Fatigue to ignore AP if attacked/knocked down
Hedge Knight 3: Charge Davain: 5d6k3 12
Hedge Knight 4: Charge Loreia (assuming she moved into range) Charge Loreia: 5d6k3 12
Red Doreo: Charge Jorah: 6d6k4 15

This was the NPC's first round actions. We have not reached their actions in round 2 yet.

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[Reader]

As noted I'm a little less available temporarily (writing future stories, home repairs etc), but PM if there's something that needs my attention to keep a combat rolling.

[Loreia]

(Skimming)...You are right. I remember my 1st turn was to control my mount and move, and my 2nd(Round 2) was to sprint. Davain just acted, now it's Jorah's turn. Am I all caught up?

Edit: posted in correct thread. Urg.

[Baelon Drakeson]

We've exceeded 40,000 posts. Going strong!

Reader and Corrine combined are more than a quarter of that, and the next four (me, Theo, Gwyn, Ben) are about another quarter.

That's not to be taken as diminishing anyone's participation - this wondrous thing we have is a community effort and it would be diminished in quality, if not quantity, by much more than half if it were just those of us I mentioned above.

[Reader]

Well said Baelon.

We're not just going strong but "
Growing strong"
! :;
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Albeit can understand a black PC not reaching for that motto.

Thanks to all the players (new, old and departed) for sticking with the game and making it such good fun.

[Reader]

Bravo to the traditionalist Ayleth for underlining social mores and highlighting Green/Black differences.

Ayleth is slightly surprised;
even many lords who leaned on their wives quite heavily for support would not admit in public that they needed her input before making a decision. This could mean Lord and Lady Drakeson were a team, and therefore twice as effective as a man alone. But without more knowledge of the pair, she can't jump to any conclusions. "
A supportive marriage is a great blessing from the Seven, and we ladies are always glad to do our part to assist."
she says warmly, although she does not agree on her husband's behalf, as that is not hers to do. She's frustrated when Lord and Lady Drakeson go off to whisper to each other. Likely they don't trust the Barthelds. If she were Baelon she wouldn't trust a girl like Ayleth, so she can scarcely fault him but still doesn't like it. Outwardly she is still all smiles.
She whispers to her husband when Lord and Lady Drakeson had gone off privately.

[Baelon Drakeson]

I enjoyed that as well - in particular the recognition that a couple working as a team is stronger than a single individual, yet still holding herself in reserve. It perfectly expresses the dichotomy of a strong Green woman. Not an easy thing to pull off... and I note that we have a paucity of Green woman PCs, so it is definitely a pleasure to have that perspective present.

It makes the Green position seem somewhat less like mere testosterone-driven bigots, which is a bit of a strawman. I think the fact that so many of the realm's lords (including many that are now fervently Green) willingly swore allegiance to Rhaenyra as crown princess before Aegon the Elder was born shows that the Green movement is far more about politics than it is about traditions - though saying it is all politics would be a similar strawman of it. GRRM wrote a fabulously complex situation, and I'm glad to see it be fleshed out a little more in our game.

Though I will note that Baelon said he would be foolish not to consult with Gwyn, not that he was obligated to... a nice foil for the situation over in House Marsten, where Ben is obligated to consult with Corrine, as she is Head of House.

[Reader]

Indeed, there are people on both sides who support their faction for a variety of reasons - some are true believers on particular inheritance rights, other are motivated by grudges (House Velaryon was passed over for royal marriages) or approval/disapproval of the personal qualities on one candidate or their supporters (Prince Daemon is a hero to some and villain to many). Yet others still are motivated by a desire to protect/promote their own rights etc etc.

[Ayleth Bartheld]

Thank you! Glad I can provide a new perspective. Plus, Green matches my eyes.

The succession dispute, complex motives and use of colors to describe the two factions gives this a bit of a War of the Roses feel.

Well, it sounded from the way the wiki described it that King Viserys made the Lords swear loyalty to Rhaenyra, which I think would make them not free to refuse (since, with no other heirs the only other option would be to declare you wanted no Targaryen on the throne, likely suicide.) But I don't have Princess and the Queen, so I don't know for sure. I didn't see any ruling queens of the various pre-conquest Kingdoms (not counting Argella Durrandon, whose claim doesn't stick), so it would be pretty easy for a Green lord to think of the conflict as defending the age-old customs of his people against imposed foreign ideas and arbitrary royal power.

[Ser Jorah Holt]

basically, by getting married again and having more children, he screwed his own succession planning and made no effort to ensure his wishes were carried out. Either that, or his illness meant he was vindictive and decided he wanted to watch the kingdoms burn

[Ser Jorah Holt]

and the greens needed a woman's touch

[Daveth Coldbrook]

The succession dispute, complex motives and use of colors to describe the two factions gives this a bit of a War of the Roses feel.

Minor point I found interesting: can't remember where I read it, but I heard that this civil war was more based on [url=The Anarchy][/url], rather than the War of the Roses.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Well, it sounded from the way the wiki described it that King Viserys made the Lords swear loyalty to Rhaenyra, which I think would make them not free to refuse (since, with no other heirs the only other option would be to declare you wanted no Targaryen on the throne, likely suicide.) But I don't have Princess and the Queen, so I don't know for sure.

Well, there was another heir - the previous heir, the King's brother, Prince Daemon. For that matter, apparently they had another, younger brother (Aegon), though little is known about him.
For that matter, there were other, more distant male relatives - such as Viserys' uncle Vaegon, who was a Maester, but we know that Maester Aemon was offered the the throne, so it is not inconceivable that Vaegon could have been named heir.... so it wasn't 'Rhaenyra or nothing'.

I didn't see any ruling queens of the various pre-conquest Kingdoms (not counting Argella Durrandon, whose claim doesn't stick), so it would be pretty easy for a Green lord to think of the conflict as defending the age-old customs of his people against imposed foreign ideas and arbitrary royal power.

Other than Nymeria, but Dorne had the bad taste not to be conquered, so they don't count, right? :;
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I'm sure some Green lords do feel that way... and others just see advantage in the Hightowers gaining the throne.

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