Re: General OOC Chatter Thread

[Athelstan]

Allow me to aid your case, what timeline you are looking for and what family?

[Derrock Swann]

Mostly the age of the current known members of the Targaryen and Swann families.

[Athelstan]

House Swann

Ser Byron Swann
A knight and member of the household, unknown relation to Lord Swann. (The dragon Syrax kills him, his Squire renders the testimony of his death to his Daughter). Fought for the Greens.

Johanna Swann "
The Black Swann"
of Lys
Captured by slavers, her niggardly uncle Lord Swann refused to pay the ransom. After some time Johanna became a celebrated courtesan known as the Black Swan, and was eventually ruler of Lys in all but name.

Good story hook here if you want someone to rescue her, pay for her?

Lord Swann - Married to X
Unknown Heir/Daughters
A sister of brother of Lord Swann
with a already captured niece Johanna Swann
Ser Byron Swann brother to Johanna Swann maybe?

Targaryen relevant storyline
King Viserys the first of his name inherited a secure throne, a full treasury and a legacy of goodwill from his grandfather. House Targaryen was at it's most powerful during Viserys time. More princes and princesses of the blood of the dragon had not existed since the time of the Doom and Westeros had never had so many dragons in the land at any other time. Viserys ruled well, and continued the prosperous peace and legacy of his grandsire, however the seeds for a terrifying civil war that would much later engulf the realm were inadvertently sown in his reign.

In his court he had the dwarf jester Mushroom. He had three children by his first wife Aemma. A daughter, Princess Rhaenyra, who lived until adulthood and two sons who died in infancy. Aemma died in 105 AC after giving birth to the second son who Viserys named Baelon after his father. Baelon died a day later following his mother to the grave. Lacking a son to succeed him, Viserys began to groom Princess Rhaenyra to be the ruling queen. His Hand, Ser Otto Hightower, encouraged this plan to avoid the reign of Prince Daemon Targaryen, the king's younger brother. Viserys taught Rhaenyra how to rule and made her part of his small council. In 105 AC, hundreds of lords and landed knights had done obeisance to the princess and sworn solemn oaths to defend her rights.

Viserys remarried in 106 AC to Ser Otto Hightower's daughter Alicent Hightower, a marriage that produced several sons and a daughter, Helaena Targaryen, with her. Otto attempted to convince the king to change the succession, but in the end, Viserys removed Otto as Hand, bestowing the honor on Lord Lyonel Strong. Rhaenyra remained his heir, however, a decision he left in his will.

Viserys hated conflict and made repeated attempts to cease the hostilities between the greens and the blacks. His attempts met with much resistance, with many fights and false apologies on both sides issued. He loved his wife and daughter equally, but they only loved each other when he commanded.

Viserys was aware of the rumors that Rhaenyra's sons were fathered by Harwin Strong and not her husband Laenor Velaryon, but commanded that anyone heard spreading the rumor would lose their tongue. Several members of House Velaryon did when Rhaenyra argued her second oldest son should inherit Driftmark. After issuing the order to remove their tongues, Viserys slipped and cut his hand to the bone on the Iron Throne. He suffered a fever from an infection and only recovered after two of his fingers were removed by Grandmaestar Gerardys. He never sat on the throne again.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Known Targayans are well covered on A Wiki of Ice and Fire, though you may need to do some clicking around to find it. I can try to answer any specific questions, as I've studied it a bit to make this character.

[Theomore Tullison]

As far as Swanns goes:

Johanna Swann, niece of Lord Swann*, born somewhere between ca. 85 and 90, kidnapped by pirates at age of 15, Lord Swann denied paying ransom, so she's a courteson in Lys now.

*This unnamed Lord Swann might well be dead by now.

Ser Byron Swann, family connections unknown. I added some details about him loving stories and songs, considering the manner of his canon death a few years from now.

Ayleth Swann, age around 20?, daughter of Domeric Swann, Domeric's family connections unknown.

That's pretty much all that's revealed.

Any particular period in the Targaryen timeline that interests you?

[Athelstan]

I guess Ayleth Swann is a new inserted character, can't find any of this Domeric or Ayleth Swann as official House Swann members.

[Derrock Swann]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. This has given me some insight, though I'll still probably have to do some filling in the blanks to have everything outlined properly.

The only thing I wished to know about the Targaryens are those that would have met Derrock in his youth (around 90-100 AL), to set up some important plot points. Any battles in that period would help, but if there are none, that's alright too.

[Nathaniel Mason]

Ayleth is already married to Davain in the Starter Chronicle. She is Lady Ayleth Bartheld, but she was born in House Swan.

She is on page 23.

[Athelstan]

Year 92
King Jaehaerys I Targaryen choses his new heir after Prince Aemon's death. Prince Baelon Targaryen, the eldest surviving son of King Jaehaerys, is chosen.
The Second Quarrel of Jaehaerys I and Alysanne begins, due to Jaehaerys' decision to choose Prince Baelon over Princess Rhaenys in the matter of the succession.
Year 94
The Second Quarrel of Jaehaerys I and Alysanne Targaryen is solved by Septa Maegelle, their daughter.
Year 97
Prince Daemon Targaryen marries Lady Rhea Royce.
Year 98
A great tourney is held in King’s Landing, to celebrate the King’s 50th year on the throne.


War of the Stepstones ended in 115, so I think the kidnap of Johanna Swann is rather recent, which makes the uncle Lord Swann very much alive.

So House Swann currently looks like this then (Just an idea)

Lord Swann - Lady Swann
Unknown Heir/Heiress
Domenic Swann, Brother to Lord Swann - Wife
Johanna Swann, Ayleth Swann Sister
Ser Byron Swann Cousin/household knight that took the Swann name?

[Theomore Tullison]

Well, as for battle:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ae ... aehaerys_I

He died in battle in 92 AC, when fighting against Myrish pirates who had seized the eastern side of Tarth.

Athelstan, you got that wrong, the war started in 106, and Johanna's kidnapping was one of the reasons they started it.

Baelon, the father of Viserys and Daemon was also around 90-100. Along with his rather young sons.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. This has given me some insight, though I'll still probably have to do some filling in the blanks to have everything outlined properly.

The only thing I wished to know about the Targaryens are those that would have met Derrock in his youth (around 90-100 AL), to set up some important plot points. Any battles in that period would help, but if there are none, that's alright too.

There was a significant uprising of the Faith Militant, which led to multiple of the player houses gaining status. That ended in 110 or 111, so it probably had not yet begun by 100, but there could have been clashes off an on for years before full-on war.

If Derrock was in the Riverlands, the Brakens and Blackwoods have been feuding off and on over the years, with various houses assisting at various times.

For those curious how I calculated the end of the Faith Militant war, it was part of calculating when House Marsten moved to Hartshorn:

Calculation on acquiring Hartshorn:
The house description states that House Marsten was awarded Harsthorn for service against the Faith Militant. Per the House Coldbrook description, at approximately the same time and for the same reason Lord Tomas was granted castle Grenward. Daveth's bio indicates that his birth father died fighting the Faith Militant in 110AL, and the Theomore/Coldbrook prelude thread indicates that the heir was 12 when he died a last year. That would mean that at the latest he could have been born in 112, putting his parents wedding (~1 year prior to his birth, per the Coldbrook house description) in 111. Thus the Faith Militant were defeated at the earliest in 110 and at the latest in 111. Thus House Marsten was awarded Hartshorn in 110 or 111.

[Athelstan]

Oh, somehow I thought it was right after that.

Well there is no evidence to show a dead Lord Swann and Domeric is just probably a brother to said lord?

Just trying to flesh-out the Swann Household for that time

[Theomore Tullison]

Yes, well, Hartshorn may have been awarded to the Marstens during the big faith militant uprising that took place much earlier.

15 years is plenty time for Lord Swann to die.

[Athelstan]

Well that is up to Reader, after all lot's of old Lords in Westeros and maybe some in house problems our new member might have some fun discovering/doing.

Edit: Corrine RUINS IT again, see ALWAYS your fault I tell ye!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Now now, don't drag your Corrie-hating into my thread, buster. I will throw you out on your fur-clad butt.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Now now, don't drag your Corrie-hating into my thread, buster. I will throw you out on your fur-clad butt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM

[Athelstan]

lol

Ah yes, praised be R'hollor :8-): I'll bring shovels to help him bury his chance of being heir :;
):

[Theomore Tullison]

Athelstan only needs to kill another brother to be the sole heir, neh?

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Athelstan only needs to kill another brother to be the sole heir, neh?

Depends on whether you count Liefnarr.

[Theomore Tullison]

Athelstan only needs to kill another brother to be the sole heir, neh?

Depends on whether you count Liefnarr.

Well, second one is..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNPv5A_ZL4

And then it's all whack and mayhem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9g5ERnFSf8

[Athelstan]

I don't have to kill him, he worships R'hollor, that is a death sentence. It's kind of a pre-req. to lead ironborn House. The Drowned Men would not approve it either, nor the ironborn, as you can see something in a much grander scale play out when Euron takes over by force, but he must do as the Drowned Men say and goes to the kingsmoot.

We can also see that woman can be warriors, but will see little to NO support to take over a noble House, so that leave Leifnarr that "
doesn't want it"
and me the bastard that has no recognition so that just not let me have it for now.

[Theomore Tullison]

Find someone decent to marry lord's daughter, have him take the reigns?

Is how it usually goes.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Oh, I forgot about the sister. Well, stranger things have happened.

[Athelstan]

Yes, indeed...

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