Re: General OOC Chatter Thread

[Dyana Marsten]

I have a more black or white view. I'm not here to study sociology.

You stick your junk forcefully into someone, you're fucking guilty, in both senses. The rest is hopeless argument.

[Yoren longshore]

I have a more black or white view. I'm not here to study sociology.

You stick your junk forcefully into someone, you're fucking guilty, in both senses. The rest is hopeless argument.

Don't get me wrong: This has nothing to do with the RP, it is simply an exchange of thoughts, of point of views, sometimes that is interesting in and of itself. Participation is completely voluntary:)

[Baelon Drakeson]

You and your way with words, for my sake I'll have to argue with: "
what he said"

I get paid to learn how to dissect and construct rather complex and abstract arguments, and to teach others to do the same on a simpler scale.
It doesn't mean I'm right per se, but it does make me rather good at things like this. :;
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You may be slightly correct Baelon. However do those who sit back and say that he is a victim of society get a free pass while there are those who actively are trying to change that rape culture share the same blame? By calling attention to the logical fallicies that permeate a culture that normalizes rape and finds that the culture should be changed so that consent is the number one priority of intimate relationship/ encounters? I do not think so.

My argument was that nobody should get a free pass. Not Benjen, not Baelon, not Arlyn. The severity of the punishment should fit the degree of the responsibility. Benjen is primarily responsible, and his punishment should fit that. Baelon and Arlyn have very little (but not zero) responsibility, and their punishment (whether inflicted internaly or externally) should be similarly very little (but again, not zero).[/quote]

We can acknowledge that yes rapist's may have been taught through their life experiences that rape is a normal form of encounters. But what people like Septon Arlyn and Corrine are trying to do, by small degrees perhaps, is change the way that rape is pervieved.

Good. Do that. But that does not mean that you do not share in the benefits of Westerosi society, and thus share some of the burden of actions prompted by that society.

Throughout the trial many of the witnesses stated that sometimes women will "
cry rape"
in order to justify their "
bad behavior"
.

Sadly, like most difficult issues, this is not cut and dry. Sometimes people do play the victim. Not to justify their behavior, but to escape unfair culturally mandated/permissible punishments. Just another aspect of the society that needs to be reformed. Women who do not keep themselves 'pure' should not face discrimination... but they do. And because they may be beaten or worse for it, some may choose to claim they were raped when it was in fact consensual. That is not the case in every accusation, nor should it be used as liberally as it is to discredit witnesses like we saw in this case, but to deny it happens is just as erroneous as to deny that rape happens.

What this trial may accomplish is setting a president that "
hey some small folk DON'T actually want to have sex with you just because you have a penis and some spurs"
it's not a huge step forward, but it is a step in the right direction.

I wish I could believe that. In truth, I doubt that many, including Benjen himself, actually think that all small folk want to have sex with them. Rather, they think that because they can get away with it that it just doesn't matter whether or not they have consent. In that respect it is no different than any other crime. Honestly, I doubt this is the first time this has happened - but if the victims are ignored, or silenced with threats or money, it just reinforces the behavior. If anything, they'll just learn not do it in a politically charged environment.

Albeit might have come by some personal trauma, though bad machinations of theo and co. But that does not absolve Ser benjen Frey of his guilt.

Certainly, it does not.

You stick your junk forcefully into someone, you're fucking guilty, in both senses.

Absolutely.

The rest is hopeless argument.

Sadly, probably true. On the other hand, I spend my days making hopeless arguments. Hopeless and valueless are not the same.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I have a more black or white view. I'm not here to study sociology.

You stick your junk forcefully into someone, you're fucking guilty, in both senses. The rest is hopeless argument.

^^^

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I have a more black or white view. I'm not here to study sociology.

You stick your junk forcefully into someone, you're fucking guilty, in both senses. The rest is hopeless argument.

Don't get me wrong: This has nothing to do with the RP, it is simply an exchange of thoughts, of point of views, sometimes that is interesting in and of itself. Participation is completely voluntary:)

It's not exactly avoidable if it's taking up the chat thread, which is not intended for moral spelunking. How about making yourselves a separate thread to talk about this increasingly triggery shit.

Ta.

[Yoren longshore]

Ok, it doesn't have to be here, but to me an OOC thread is for OOC talk...

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

It's for general chatter, not lengthy discussions on dark and contentious subjects. Especially without trigger warnings. It is meant to be a safe, happy space. If it's a hardship to set up a thread yourself, I'll do it for you.

[Baelon Drakeson]

It's not exactly avoidable if it's taking up the chat thread, which is not intended for moral spelunking. How about making yourselves a separate thread to talk about this increasingly triggery shit.

If anyone was uncomfortable or otherwise negatively affected by my posts, I am truly sorry. That was not my intent, but I am guilty of not thinking through the impact they might have on others.

[Yoren longshore]

No need to be condescending, if I wanted a thread I'd make it.
I wanted to talk about a subject that has been a key issue since Freud. You wanted me to stop, so I did just that.
I think you mistake my point, so if you allow me i want to PM you what I think and hopefully clear the air so to speak.
However as you told me not to speak of it it is unlikely you'll want to, and I respect that. Simple as that.
No need for you to imply that I'm lazy, or harbor any hard feelings towards me. I'll don't do it against you.
Lets leave it there. Ok?

[Dyana Marsten]

I want to say I'm not bothered by any arguments whatsoever, and if my single comment has upset someone, then I am sorry and will refrain from such remarks in the future. If it hasn't, then well... well.

The rest is hopeless argument.

Sadly, probably true. On the other hand, I spend my days making hopeless arguments. Hopeless and valueless are not the same.

They absolutely are not the same. I never meant to imply that drawing the roots from an individual's actions from the society and environment they were brought up in and live within is an argument without merit.

I only think it has more academic than practical purposes. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

[Yoren longshore]

I want to say I'm not bothered by any arguments whatsoever, and if my single comment has upset someone, then I am sorry and will refrain from such remarks in the future. If it hasn't, then well... well.

I only think it has more academic than practical purposes. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

No it hasn't.
It's purely academical, but it can be an awarding experience discussing it anyway :;
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[Theomore Tullison]

This discussion is amusing.

And Theo's plans has a habit of starting out small and then organically come together in ways neither he or I anticipated to form grand schemes.

[Loreia]

Man that intrigue was tense. I hope you're not royally pissed, Ben.

[Benedict Marsten]

IC or OOC?

OOC: I can't hate on someone playing their character.
IC:

[Loreia]

I just wanted to check up on you, pal. Make sure we're on the same page. As for in-character, I leave you to deal with Corrine and Ellie now!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I just wanted to check up on you, pal. Make sure we're on the same page. As for in-character, I leave you to deal with Corrine and Ellie now!

I think I'll have to have a chat with you all early on D9, try to sort this out. Ben, I can't leave you alone for 5 minutes!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

I just want to make a quick statement on the earlier kerfuffle, and it'll be the last I'll say on the matter.

Nobody offended me. Please don't any of you feel bad. You haven't done anything wrong.

I do not require clarification of anyone's points, by PM or otherwise, as I am not offended by them, and I have not misunderstood them.

However, it became apparent to me that the conversation being had was not in-keeping with the purpose of this thread. I started the General OOC Chatter thread with the intention of it being a generally light-hearted place to chat. It was not ever intended for in-depth philosophical discussion.

That is why I suggested a separate thread for such a thing. Regardless of whether Yoren's player wanted another thread, it is more considerate of others to have one.

Discussion of deeper things is welcome, just please not in this thread, as this is meant to be a safe space, and talking about things that contain potentially (and commonly) triggering subject material can make individuals uncomfortable, and it can be derailing if other people are simultaneously trying to talk about other, less involved things.

It would simply have been considerate and courteous to make a new thread, so that those who want to take part can do so without dominating the space, and without allowing people to stumble onto something that may be distressing.

I, for one, would welcome a 'Big Talk' type thread, with clear trigger warnings (those are just basic courtesy if you're going to talk about certain things. I am more than happy to offer guidance on what those include), as the setting allows for interesting discussion about complex topics. My only ask is that it be it's own thread, separate from the others.

Thank you, party on.

[Loreia]

Oh damn. I guess this is our first campaign example of what can happen when you use the Incite action to persuade a crowd. I hope that if he's defeated, he at least gets to choose between gelding and taking the Black.

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[Dunstan Tullison]

Sorry to everyone for my slower posting rate these days, I was on vacation.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Oh damn. I guess this is our first campaign example of what can happen when you use the Incite action to persuade a crowd. I hope that if he's defeated, he at least gets to choose between gelding and taking the Black.

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Incite seems powerful, yeah. Beware of angry mobs! Lord Forrest is going to be pissed off.

[Septon Arlyn]

I have every confidence in the Ability of Derrock swan to kick his trash in. Although Ser Derrock if you could make your way to the Sept so I could take care of that injury you got form that terrible endurance roll that would be appreciated :;
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[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Sorry to everyone for my slower posting rate these days, I was on vacation.

Did you have a good time?

[Dunstan Tullison]

Yep. just a mountain this time, didn't go to the beach. But it was good, a lot of drinking and campfires and that shebang:)

[Reader]

Oh damn. I guess this is our first campaign example of what can happen when you use the Incite action to persuade a crowd. I hope that if he's defeated, he at least gets to choose between gelding and taking the Black.

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That is indeed the option I have planned for Ser Benjen.

Well anticipated.

I mean, uh, Ser Benjen will triumph! He's pretty handy in a fight. Glad we've got Ser Jorah lined up as champion and Ser Derrock as back-up to give him a reasonable match.

Dunstan, hoped you enjoyed the holiday!

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Reader, I'm 84 posts behind you now.

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