Re: General Non-game Chat Thread

[Yoren longshore]

How is a simple norwegian meant to cope

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

How is a simple norwegian meant to cope

By raiding a village?

Sorry, that was a silly joke.

[Baelon Drakeson]

I don't doubt you Baelon but how is gnostic agnostic not a contradiction? If I remeber my latin (which I probably don't) isn't a sonething you add to change the meaning 180 degrees?

Yeah, but gnostics and agnostics describe very different things in this case. The modern meaning has deviated from the Latin roots.

What Gwyn said. (I curse my slow typing - and not for the first time today.)

By strict etymology you are correct, however I was using the terms in ways that had deviated from the original latin meanings. By 'gnostic' I was making reference to a concept from the early Christian sect called 'Gnosticism' - (very) loosely, that the divine is directly knowable through divine revelation (gnosis). 'Agnostic' was used in the weaker sense above, thus in combination being a 'gnostic agnostic' meant that the divine was unknown but potentially knowable, though only through direct divine revelation.

[Yoren longshore]

How is a simple norwegian meant to cope

By raiding a village?

Sorry, that was a silly joke.

Norwegians have usually gotten past our darker history.

I have to agree, though, That's the best way, yes:) I'll be in York in a few weeks
That is fitting IC too, how's a simple ironborn to cope? By raiding...

Maybe me and Yoren have more in common than I thought?
Yoren cerrainly knows more languages than me, but apart from that?

I think you have put me on a one way track to an identity crisis, Am i Yoren? Is this simply my repressed youth having made my subconscious made this character to work through issues? Should I in reality recognise myself as a 30 year old R'hllorian?
In that case I'm going to need a psychologist to work through that

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

How is a simple norwegian meant to cope

By raiding a village?

Sorry, that was a silly joke.

Norwegians have usually gotten past our darker history.

I have to agree, though, That's the best way, yes:) I'll be in York in a few weeks
That is fitting IC too, how's a simple ironborn to cope? By raiding...

Maybe me and Yoren have more in common than I thought?
Yoren cerrainly knows more languages than me, but apart from that?

I think you have put me on a one way track to an identity crisis, Am i Yoren? Is this simply my repressed youth having made my subconscious made this character to work through issues? Should I in reality recognise myself as a 30 year old R'hllorian?
In that case I'm going to need a psychologist to work through that

Haha! My apologies. :;
):

[Theomore Tullison]

Hah! Viking age were the glory age!

Dark times were the days of Danish and Swedish Tyranny.

[Loreia]

Dunstan, does your character have any reaction to the way I quit our intrigue? Or assuming you let me walk off, are you keeping his thoughts in your house forum?

[Dunstan Tullison]

We can just lower the disposition by one step. I'm not keeping up the best, got a lot of work, sorry folks. I am trying though.

Will go and write the reaction now.

[Reader]

We can just lower the disposition by one step. I'm not keeping up the best, got a lot of work, sorry folks. I am trying though.

Will go and write the reaction now.

Fear not, things slowing down a little for my upcoming business trip.

[Benedict Marsten]

And then an idea occurred to Gwyn. So simple an idea that she was rather astonished it hadn't occurred to her before.

She leaned back closer and said quietly, "
Probably not. It's their nature to confront directly, trying to overcome by force. That's not a bad thing, but it's not the appropriate response here. Rely on subtler eyes. Simply bear in mind that what you say and do here is marked, and make use of that. And...perhaps we can be of assistance to one another. It's much harder for me to come here and do this after all. Every so often I have to leave and change things and come back, or it's obvious...and...it's just keeping me away from other things. Is there anyone you can trust to see who the innkeeper associates with?"

Why oh why do you ladies feel it is ok to lie and with hold things from your man? It is a slippery slope.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

And then an idea occurred to Gwyn. So simple an idea that she was rather astonished it hadn't occurred to her before.

She leaned back closer and said quietly, "
Probably not. It's their nature to confront directly, trying to overcome by force. That's not a bad thing, but it's not the appropriate response here. Rely on subtler eyes. Simply bear in mind that what you say and do here is marked, and make use of that. And...perhaps we can be of assistance to one another. It's much harder for me to come here and do this after all. Every so often I have to leave and change things and come back, or it's obvious...and...it's just keeping me away from other things. Is there anyone you can trust to see who the innkeeper associates with?"

Why oh why do you ladies feel it is ok to lie and with hold things from your man? It is a slippery slope.

Because you flip out like massive drama llamas. :;
):

[Baelon Drakeson]

Hey now, don't overgeneralize.
Besides, who said Gwyn was keeping it from Baelon?

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Gwyn sees Ben as an earnest loose cannon is all. A great guy to have at your back, but in some ways a loyal hound to be carefully leashed, then released when the time is right.

She actually expected some resistance from Corrine on that point.

[Lady Corrine Marsten]

Gwyn sees Ben as an earnest loose cannon is all. A great guy to have at your back, but in some ways a loyal hound to be carefully leashed, then released when the time is right.

She actually expected some resistance from Corrine on that point.

Well, who's to say she won't tell Ben anyway? :;
):

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Fair point!

[Benedict Marsten]

Gwyn sees Ben as an earnest loose cannon is all. A great guy to have at your back, but in some ways a loyal hound to be carefully leashed, then released when the time is right.

She actually expected some resistance from Corrine on that point.

You hit one bastard in the middle of a riot after everyone has awoke from a prophetic dream and you are labeled as a "
loose Canon"
.

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Hey, prove her wrong.

Ben has a fair number of emotional outbursts to his name, really. Not all are quite that dramatic, but you have to admit it's not a HUGE over-exaggeration.

[Benedict Marsten]

Hey, prove her wrong.

Ben has a fair number of emotional outbursts to his name, really. Not all are quite that dramatic, but you have to admit it's not a HUGE over-exaggeration.

They must be slipping my mind. Besides in battle I felt I was generally humble and meek.

On a serious note is that how he is coming across, cause it was not my intention?

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Hee hee

Not -really-, no. I don't mean to imply Gwyn's estimation of Ben is entirely 100% accurate...especially as a fair number of things he's done that might support it are not IC knowledge for her.

Gwyn is mostly just careful about letting information circulate. She'd rather Corrine keep it to herself for now, and has chosen an argument she thinks she can back up if Corrine questions the idea. It's not critical that it be kept secret though, otherwise she wouldn't have told Corrine either.

I think Ben strikes me, OOC, as a very passionate person, who can at times be overcome by his passions. It's not as bad as Gwyn is implying though.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Your quasi-pre-marital (and semi-public) escapades with Corrine were not humble and meek. :;
):
Your sept scene with Loreia was not humble and meek.
Abruptly quitting the intrigue with me didn't seem particularly humble or meek.
Your fight scene with Corrine wasn't either.

The way the character has come across to me is that he has a burning rage that under most circumstances is buried so deep that even he is probably not aware of it. However, at times it boils to the surface and he acts hot and impulsive.

[Theomore Tullison]

Can't say I am in disagreement with Baelon's assessment there, but cold fury coming out every now and then is pretty cool though.

[Baelon Drakeson]

Oh, yeah, nothing I said in that post should be taken as a criticism. I think Ben is a great character - he's in such an awkward social position, and the struggle to be true to himself when the world is demanding he be someone he is not makes for a really interesting character arc.

[Gwyneth Drakeson]

Indeed!

And the meat is salted with just a pinch of that 'I'm not sure if I really belong here' angst.

That's what makes it so flavorful.

[Septon Arlyn]

I have to agree with most of there assessment's. However I feel like it could almost be a kind of PTSD sort of situation, which is part of what makes Ben such a compelling character for me to read. Like thinking back to the bedding scene at the wedding, bens reaction to having his scars reveled was a very freeze sort of reaction to a stressor, where as punching that insolent bastard garred in the face was a very much fight response to a stressor. Being tortured by pirates for months I feel is a very legitimate reason to have PTSD and is very true to the source material. I'm kinda excited to watch Ben develop as a character and see if he gives into the rage or see if Corrine can help him heal from his internal scars.

[Benedict Marsten]

Your quasi-pre-marital (and semi-public) escapades with Corrine were not humble and meek. :;
):
Your sept scene with Loreia was not humble and meek.
Abruptly quitting the intrigue with me didn't seem particularly humble or meek.
Your fight scene with Corrine wasn't either.

The way the character has come across to me is that he has a burning rage that under most circumstances is buried so deep that even he is probably not aware of it. However, at times it boils to the surface and he acts hot and impulsive.

Thats pretty much the pc. Though 1 and 3 above are not "
outbursts"
as Gwyn states. 2 was a "
she stepped to me"
scene. You did say they were not humble and meek, so all are true to that standard. Even with those and Garret the majority of Ben's threads he is a mild mannered guy.

I guess I feel there was a lot of flak about Ben being that "
loose Canon"
in numerous post and I just felt like maybe I was not coming across they way I wanted.

This is why I stay out of ooc threads. :?

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