Re: General Non-game Chat Thread

by **Ser Raynald Dulver** Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:53 pm

Man, remembering now I'm starting to get pissed again. I mean, let's look to the end of this last episode, where you have to make that choice about those 2 characters. Now lets go back to when you find CONCRETE information about your enemies PLANS. And you decide to USE that information to................walk directly into an ambush. Exactly the same outcome if you had no privileged information at all. Oh boy, I'm getting mad again at these developers.

by **Ser Jorah Holt** Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:58 pm

From the sounds of it, I'm better off not purchasing this then?

by **Septon Arlyn** Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:02 pm

Get it on sale, play through it once. I mean 15 to 20 dollars for 12 hours of entertainment is not bad, just make sure you fully explore the game on the first go around as there is little replay value (maybe the end will be different)

by **Nathaniel Mason** Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:18 pm

I played the first one. I enjoyed it right up to the point where you have a choice of going to the Wall, going to the Wall or, um, going to the Wall.

Didn't bother with the rest after that.

by **Yoren longshore** Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:21 pm

It worked with tales from the borderlands as the game was mostly for humour and telling a story, but it does not work when their selling point is CHOICES and they give you none...

by **Ser Walton Dulver** Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:00 pm

Game of Thrones from them is annoying. Illusion of choices would be nice, there is no illusion even Neutral

it's interesting how differently they could take it in Walking Dead series... Why not say that they had story to be told in GoT, instead of saying that my choices are creating the story Surprised

I'm pretty sure that Forresters won't finish too well though... And that rival house either, by the way.

by **Loreia** Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:54 am

Ser Jorah Holt wrote:From the sounds of it, I'm better off not purchasing this then?

It's an amazing story that I feel is worth every dollar. What they promise is that the choices tailor the game to how you play. Here's how I interpret that.

It's a black, triple-breasted suit. It's tailored to fit you, but it's still the same suit. That doesn't make what you choose to do or the story itself any less enjoyable or meaningful. What Telltale does, they do well. I bought it for the original $25 price tag and so far I don't regret it at all.

by Ser Jergen Rohmner Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:00 am

Greetings everyone...Resident new guy here. I've got plenty of experience playing rpg and pbp games, but not much with this game. So I'm looking forward to gaming with everyone.

by Samurel Manderly Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:02 am

Loreia wrote:
Ser Jorah Holt wrote:From the sounds of it, I'm better off not purchasing this then?
It's an amazing story that I feel is worth every dollar. What they promise is that the choices tailor the game to how you play. Here's how I interpret that.

It's a black, triple-breasted suit. It's tailored to fit you, but it's still the same suit. That doesn't make what you choose to do or the story itself any less enjoyable or meaningful. What Telltale does, they do well. I bought it for the original $25 price tag and so far I don't regret it at all.

The things happening in the story feel appropriate to the setting, my biggest qualm, for any game based on the Ip of another is if it can capture the feeling of the original, and the way there are interactions, it feels like another chapter in another book, in the SIF universe.

by Dunstan Tullison Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:17 am

Welcome Jergen!

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:17 am

Ser Jergen Rohmner wrote:Greetings everyone...Resident new guy here. I've got plenty of experience playing rpg and pbp games, but not much with this game. So I'm looking forward to gaming with everyone.

Hello and welcome! Smile

by **Baelon Drakeson** Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:00 pm

Indeed. welcome!

by Athelstan Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:40 pm

Welcome, will fight beside you (posthumous lol) in the Tullison/Dulver and welcome to chat or try out some mock fighting as a spar or whatever if you need to.

To actual unofficial non game related stuff!

You guys think France bombing response was the right one?

by **Yoren longshore** Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:58 pm

Athelstan wrote:You guys think France bombing response was the right one?

They try to fight violence with violence, oppression with oppression, and although the rationale may be sound I don't like it. Militarization of the policing force is always a bad idea. Terrorism is used to scare us, and the sad fact is that it has worked.
Trust is the integral part that keeps society running, and giving the police less oversight makes the populace less trusting.
Baltimore, Ferguson...
And the worst part Is that it doesn't work. Norway (and others, but i use my home country as i have no statistics from other countries) has a long and proud history of not arming police. Since the war (1945) ten policemen has been killed in action, now you can compare that with countries with armed police force, but I suspect that most of them will have worse results due to the threatening presence of guns...

The support has been great though! The entire europe in a moment of silence, the love that has been shown, it's beautiful to see the world unite in righteous outrage.

by Athelstan Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:01 pm

I don't think you can compare countries that easy as in X country does it and it works, why not yours.

Different population size, income, culture, and other factors play a big role, that can't just be simplified like that.

I do agree, that solving violence with violence really only creates a vicious cycle of violence.

I go bomb X place, you bomb a city, the citizens that survive now hate you and are recruited by your enemy, you might have killed 10 of their group bu you just multiplied that by 10, now you have a bigger threat and same problem.

At least, that is why U.S. military is trying to switch into the "
War of minds and hearts"
instead of ground pounding troops deployment, fact is you cannot kill an ideology rooted in a religion very easy because in my opinion and experience which might not be entirely correct since it's mostly as US soldier view.

1.- An ideology attached to a religion is easy to sell and then recruit violent crazy people from within.
2.- Moderate muslims in polls and in some of their own speeches were they bring speakers, agree with most of the things that small group of extremist do, and won't stop them or join them if they lose a family member to a bombing of their city.
3.- Religion has always been a plataform for violent people to use to pursue their own goals and people are always drawn to charismatic people within their religious groups.
4.- The muslim problem is tribal, and they do kill each other, but it's not over religion really, it's more for tribal cleansing.
5.- Muslims people have different variants within their own religion, just like there is Catholics, Christians, Mormons, etc. Each tribe has it's own little differences and this also cause killings among themselves.
6.- The majority of deaths from ISIS are muslims.

Those are my thoughts, with my probably limited knowledge.

by **Theomore Tullison** Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:18 pm

One of my professors proposed the following theory for Norway being a society with very little corruption, violent crimes and strong faith in collective social welfare:

Historically, we've been small communities where everyone knows everyone, if you do not contribute your part, then people will shove you out, if you go around lying, stealing, cheating or worse, then people will shove you out.

And winter is coming. Without the support of the rest of the community, you do not live to see spring.

by **Yoren longshore** Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:57 pm

https://www.academia.edu/395156/The_Cas ... and_Police
It's a difficult issue with no clear cut answers, but the point of creating an arms race is true regardless of country. If you are in a position of carrying a gun you instantly become threatening. Once you threaten someone there is no way to know how they'll react. If you are unarmed you are looking a lot less threatening, are more likely to be resolved peacefully. I'm no expert, and I'm on extremely shaky grounds, but it's a subject where the values of common people are what should determine how its dealt with. I'd use Baelons standoff with Athelstan as an example.
And winter is coming indeed Twisted Evil

Btw: Who was it? It's a small community for norwegian proffessors.

At least, that is why U.S. military is trying to switch into the "
War of minds and hearts"
instead of ground pounding troops deployment, fact is you cannot kill an ideology rooted in a religion very easy because in my opinion and experience which might not be entirely correct since it's mostly as US soldier view.

It's no less correct if you say it than anybody else. Abraham Lincoln, Shakespeare and Churchill all lacked education. Lincoln led a country in a briliant way. Churchill was among the greatest statesmen the world has seen AND was rewarded a nobel price in literature. I do not even need to mention Shakespeare. Then you have Ayn Rand, Bush and Mengele. I don't want to talk of them. Education only gives us fancy words so that we can speak for hours without saying anything of note Razz

They say that books, burgers and pornography has done more to stop extremism than troops can ever do. And ISIL would fizzle out without the help they get with their propaganda from NATO bombing them. Their ideology would crush them and their soldiers would stop coming. The only thing keeping the populace complacent is that they feel that they should govern themselves. In several ways I'd equate it to Hannibal Barca. Once the romans denied him his fight he fizzled out. The cities supporting him grew reluctant. Philip II stopped his plan to support Hannibal.

Note that all of this is my opinions, and grossly simplified.

by Athelstan Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:09 pm

It sounds nice, but the problem is let's say US removes all military presence from the middle east, they would still be in conflict among themselves do to their tribal differences, and one tribe will eventually come to power and oppress the others.

Iraq is now a clear problem of that when there was a change of tribe, and they marginalized and persecuted the one that was ousted, which is only part of the problem of what is terrorism.

Like Gaddafi, oppressed anyone that opposed him and their tribes butchering thousands, but he also did a lot of positive things for his people. Yet if we go to Libya now it's worse than when he was in power, same with Iraq. Is there more to that yes, this is just a simplistic view after all, we are not going into a deep debate of each country how and why they were better with or without their dictators.

After all Hitler also wanted to promote nationalism and do good things for Germany, but this is guy is another thing entirely lol.

by **Septon Arlyn** Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:35 am

All I have to say is thank you Scotland.

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Also I'm glad that Oregon is one of the states not falling into that anti refugees rhetoric. Refugees have a hard enough life as it is, there is no need to make there future homes hostile to them as well...

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:48 am

It's things like this that make me feel so proud to be a Scot. I hope the refugees that come here find peace and prosperity. I think the xenophobic attitude being stirred up by some is just disgusting.

by Samurel Manderly Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:54 am

on a tangent from this current conversation, fuck the telltales game of thrones game... just finished the last episode and it reminds me of everything I both hate and love of the series...

by **Nathaniel Mason** Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:57 am

Samurel Manderly wrote:on a tangent from this current conversation, fuck the telltales game of thrones game... just finished the last episode and it reminds me of everything I both hate and love of the series...

Wouldn't that mean they were successful?

by Samurel Manderly Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:01 am

yeah but now I'm extremely emotionally drained and I hate that... so fuck.

by Athelstan Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:13 am

Well then, mission accomplished for the game.

Edit: The xenophobia in the media is a bit to much, and that includes media people actively kicking hitting and pushing Syrian refugees themselves.

by **Lady Corrine Marsten** Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:21 am

Samurel Manderly wrote:yeah but now I'm extremely emotionally drained and I hate that... so fuck.

I find the ASOIAF storylines very emotionally draining. I'm not sure why I stick with it. But I think I do like things about the setting and the richness of it, so that allows me to enjoy some of it, and this game, of course. But with the show and game, I have been so close to done so many times.

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